Some bad news for me

Redemption1973 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:33 pm Post subject: Some bad news for me

Was sorting out some of the wiring today and attempting to time the car.

it was seeming like it was getting harder and harder to time it until finally I cant get it to start at all anymore...

I pulled the dist to look at the screw to see if maybe it was backwards and I had fumes coming out of it, and the liquid in there looked like grey soup.

So i pulled the dipstick and the oil is a soupy grey and smells like fuel....

Wishful thinking hopes that its just a gasket or something like that but for some reason I have this bad feeling that it is something much worse.

Can someone give me some input on this? maybe some encouragement? Crying or Very sad

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silver billy · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:38 pm Post subject:

How is your fuel pump working? Perhaps the diaphragm inside the pump is broken, and is dumping fuel into your crankcase. Change your oil.

spanky324 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:41 pm Post subject:

Fuel pump!

Redemption1973 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:43 pm Post subject:

really? I just checked the fuel pump a week ago it looks pretty much brand new.

when I was trying to time it, I got a sucking/popping sound at one point.

could it have something to do with that?
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vw_hank · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:39 pm Post subject:

Fuel pump! I have had A lot of them go out,, hope you dident damige the motor.

Redemption1973 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:00 pm Post subject:

me too. I think its the plastic riser and seal thats bad but tonight ill pull it off to check what the deal is
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vw_hank · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:08 pm Post subject:

if the diyafram went out you well not be able to see it, the pump well look fine.. I have friends that think I'm A nut because I smell my dipstick ever time I cheek my oil.. Laughing

vw_hank · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 4:19 pm Post subject:

The fule pump is the only way gas is going to git into the motor, So just git A new one. Well the motor tern by hand? if not you mite have sezed it, if you can still tern it do A oil change, git it running let it run for 2-3min then shut it off and do another oil change.. all that gray gas filled sluge is up in your oil cooler and heads and you got to git it out..

Redemption1973 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject:

Ive never been able to turn the motor by hand.

I took advice and bought the oil pump. took the old one off and it seems to be squirting fuel through just fine so I put it back on. I pulled the top of the carb off and the float seems ok.

I have no idea how to check the needle

its an h30/31 solex made in brazil.

I did hear a sucking/popping sound at one point in fiddling with the engine.

There were no loud crashing or banging sounds just the sound of it being out of time and a bit of rocking to the engine.

here is what I found online

When engine oil smells like gas, it usually is the result of excess fuel getting into the oil. On carbureted engines, this typically comes from a leak in the fuel pump diaphragm. It also can be caused by an automatic choke that does not open completely, by a brass carburetor float that has developed a leak and become heavy with gasoline, by a plastic carburetor float that has become porous and is now heavy with gasoline, by excessively rich carburetor jetting, or from an idle mixture adjustment that is too rich.
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BugMan114 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:44 pm Post subject:

DUDE!!!!! ITS THE FUEL PUMP!!! JUST FRIGGIN CHANGE IT Laughing

!!!! it only costs like $20. I have had good luck with brosol pumps. In your effort to save $20 on a fuel pump, you might just loose your whole motor. not worth the risk. CHANGE THE PUMP

THE FUEL PUMP WILL STILL PUMP GAS JUST FINE EVEN IF IT IS LEAKING.

Even if the carb was DUMPING gas into the motor, some gas would pass the rings and get into the oil, but it will have to run for a VERY long time for you to even notice it in the oil, and it would bearly run, and foul up your plugs way before that much fuel got into the oil. CHANGE THE PUMP!!!
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Why the hell do they call it a gland nut. its obviously a big fat bolt!!!

vw_hank · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:50 pm Post subject:

Redemption1973 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 6:56 pm Post subject:

ok ok ok I have the new fuel pump still and ill change it =)

and it was more like 33 before tax lol

Im also going to rebuild the carb and readjust the screws since were adjusted way too far out

I dont mean to look like a cheapo or whatever its just that this is somewhat unexpected and I am on a tight budget to make this happen with a lot of parts left to buy. I know Im preaching to the choir but hey that doesnt make it any less frustrating.
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BugMan114 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:24 pm Post subject:

hahaha. as long as i can kinda git what ur sayin, i'm cool. dis ain't not no fukin spellin B. HAHAHA

not tryin to be insulting or anything, but if there is even the slightest doubt that the fuel pump might be bad, just replace it. even a $33 part isn't worth loosing your motor over. i promise you, you'll spend a lot more then $33 for a new motor Wink

. anyhoo, yes, i'd also to a carb rebuild. DO YOU HAVE A STOCK CARB? if so then they are pretty easy to rebuild. make sure your on a nice clean table when you rebuild it, and lay out a few rags on the table, so the little parts won't roll off the edge, lol. and while you have it apart, i like to take some small wire, or piano string, and run it thru the holes, and ports in the carb, because they tend to get gummed up with corrosion, and gunk, and no matter how many times you rebuild the carb, it will still run like crap, untill you clean out those ports, lol. don't use a thick wire, because you don't want to scrape up the ports, just some small thin wire, to clean them out.

also when you get it back together, make sure you have a new fuel filter. IMO the best ones are the little cheap clear plastic ones. the fancy chrome ended ones, with the clear glass center are COMPLETE SH!T. they don't filter anything. i've pulled my carb apart a few times only to find all kinds of crap in the float chamber. but the carb is always clean when i use the cheap clear plastic ones. the funny thing is, the chrome one can appear black, and just full of crap and still flow gas because they let everything by, but the cheap ones, will stop up, and not let gas thru, when there is only a little bit of gunk, as they actually FILTER out the stuff so it doesn't screw your carb up, lol.
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Why the hell do they call it a gland nut. its obviously a big fat bolt!!!

Redemption1973 · Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 10:50 pm Post subject:

yea just did the rebuild an hour or so ago, going to crack it open again and do the wire thing.

Also the fuel pump I bought will be replacing the old one along with an oil change, then another after I have the motor timed.

I suspect the problem had a big something to do with the carb

its a pict h30/31 and I believe that it has been running far too rich as the small adjustment screw was something like 9 turns out from in instead of the standard 2 1/2 turns. the big screw was like 4 turns out.

Some of the parts such as the plunger with the square seal were corroded and the triangle seal with the plunger thing on it completely broke when I was rebuilding it.
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vw_hank · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:09 am Post subject:

The carbs were probably giving you some trouble, But I still say fuel pump.. if it was just the carb theres no way it would run if it was letting enough gas past the rings to foam up the oil

Redemption1973 · Posted: Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:03 am Post subject:

roger that hank, ill be changing the pump tomarrow and reinstalling the carb
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