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tclark
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 Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:06 pm Post subject: any starter motor battery passenger side with 800-1000 CCA |
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Has anybody put in any starter motor battery with more cca than the grp41/48 stds 650-700 cca
well the best Grp-48 I can find is of all places wall mart
energizer(Johnson controls) Model E48 990ca, 770cca & $105
2 year free replacement and a total of a 84 month prorate
battery group table
http://www.evdl.org/pages/bcigroup.html
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PDXWesty
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I believe that's all that will fit in the compartment.
Why on earth would you need more CCA? My motor spins like a top with the stock battery and starter. Everything just needs to be in good condition to work properly.
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tclark
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| Why on earth would you need more CCA? |
what happens when you go winter camping leave the van for 3 days at
-15-20C for the back country ski trek...
I also see a 1.9 aaz diesel in my future with the 2 HP tdi starter
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Volksaholic
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| tclark wrote: |
| PDXWesty wrote: |
| Why on earth would you need more CCA? |
what happens when you go winter camping leave the van for 3 days at -15-20
for the back country ski trek |
I would think a good battery could withstand a few days of -15º to -20º and start okay. When I lived in Logan, UT I always did an oil change with lighter oil in the VWs for the Winter to lessen the load when starting and warming up... I don't know how big a difference it made. It would start reliably down to -15º F, but it was carb'd and took a lot more cranks to get going than a well tuned FI engine.
It would certainly not hurt to put a solar trickle charger on it, and warm the cabin if you need to before starting it to help warm the battery. I think Optima batteries are also supposed to do a little better in cold weather but I don't have first had experience with that.
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GrindGarage
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When I bought my van I was selling my bmw e30 that I had just put a bosch battery in. So I swapped batterys. It is a hair tall and the lid closes real tight but I think the cca is near 1000. BTW it was for a 91
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tclark
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| When I bought my van I was selling my bmw e30 that I had just put a bosch battery in. So I swapped batterys. It is a hair tall and the lid closes real tight but I think the cca is near 1000. BTW it was for a 91 |
wow almost but looks like the std for the e30 is grp 48 & some ppl say a grp 49 works but the 49 is longer than the 48 by a few inches so wont fit the vw passenger side compartment
maybe you had odd ball battery ?
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IdahoDoug
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That would be interesting to know for us northern types. Having extra reserve capacity is essential peace of mind when you're parked at a remote trailhead or similar. I have a battery cutoff switch for these situations so it's completely isolated in the event something's left on while we're away from the vehicle. It literally physically disconnects the battery positive terminal and was like $10 at Sears.
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| I've solved the problem, to my satisfaction anyway, by hooking up three house batteries in addition to the starter battery. Group 41 in the driver seat compartment, larger battery and an Optima in the storage compartment behind the fridge, 8awg dedicated grounds, marine voltage sensitive relay. My goal was to be able to run the propex for at least a week on two tanks of propane, for emergency purposes, and it looks like it works. All to say that you need more than one house battery to do the trick, no matter what you drop under the driver seat. |
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What's a "house battery" ?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:29 am Post subject: Battery |
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What's a "house battery" ?
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House battery is another phrase people use in place of auxiliary battery, usually used while parked for electrical loads like interior lights, radio, etc., so as not to drain the main battery.
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GrindGarage
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wow almost but looks like the std for the e30 is grp 48 & some ppl say a grp 49 works but the 49 is longer than the 48 by a few inches so wont fit the vw passenger side compartment
maybe you had odd ball battery ? |
IDK had it for a couple years can check. I remember buying it at pep-boys and choosing it because it had the highest CCA on the shelf
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| I've solved the problem, to my satisfaction anyway, by hooking up three house batteries in addition to the starter battery. Group 41 in the driver seat compartment, larger battery and an Optima in the storage compartment behind the fridge, 8awg dedicated grounds, marine voltage sensitive relay. My goal was to be able to run the propex for at least a week on two tanks of propane, for emergency purposes, and it looks like it works. All to say that you need more than one house battery to do the trick, no matter what you drop under the driver seat. |
Maybe this is a bad assumption, but it sounds like the problem you were trying to solve is how to run a heater, interior lights, fridge, etc for an extended Winter camp. What I got from the OP is that he's planning something like a 3 day yurt trip where the van is shut down and parked in sub 0 weather and he wants to make sure he can start it when he gets back. One thing I learned from living in Logan where we'd get cold snaps similar to what he's describing is that the cars need to be meticulously tuned up every Fall. I'd make sure all the electrical connections were clean... especially battery + & ground, spark plugs and points (in those days) were flawless. Fresh oil, lower viscosity but still within mfgr specs (I do that even in the milder Salt Lake climate). At those temperatures there's very little reserve power to start the van so the less you have to crank it the better. I would think one good main battery should be sufficient, with a good house battery that's also wired to start (or can be jumped from) for the extra boost.
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Ed, thanks 
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Looks like I might have found a winner
http://www.race-mart.com/BrailleBattery-BRA-B7548.html
Braille Battery B7548 45Lb, 1285ca 945cca, 75amp/hr, 60 Mth Warranty GROUP 48
945CCA woot same with price $235 for another 200+ CCA
but 2x price sure looks like kick but
now how the heck do they manage to get 1285ca/ 200+ cca out of this battery
is this what "Advanced AGM" (Absorbed Glass Matt) does for us
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At twice the price of a standard Group 41, couldn't you just haul an extra fully charged stock battery with you on the rare occasion that you need it?
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tclark
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So just for the archives
I got the 945 CCA Grp 48 in but it NOT what I call direct fit
based on the BCI Battery specs
Metric Imperial
L W H L W H
41 293 175 175 11 3/16 6 7/8 6 7/8
48 306 175 192 12 1/16 6 7/8 7 9/16
in reality My Grp-48 is
L W H
10.5 6 7/8 7
So it sits too high in the box its not level with the floor around the seat BUT we do have 1/4" clearance under the swivel seat base
++ I now lots o reserve at 945CCA
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