End Play...Too much

[rust_prone]

Well folks, I've got end play. I am not together yet with this 1600dp and my freind (who knows a lot more than I do) showed me how to properly check for end play. I've got about .0080 worth. Too much. So I am getting the case line bored, new bearings and seals, and end play set. It's going to cost about $300. I am also considering have the heads hemicut. I did not anticipate the extra expense and would have this thing back together if the play had not been checked properly.

Your thoughts and advice?

[stillworks]

Hi,you lost me. Are you putting the motor together,and found out you had to much play? Also how did you come up with 300.00

[Trayle D. the real oggfk]

How did you check the end play? You lost me also because it sounded like you were saying the engine was apart? Maybe I misread it.

[keifernet]

Sounds like the case where the rear main and thrust bearing is beat out. Align Boring and thrust cut should fix that. Make sure you have someonmd check the decking too. (Where the cylinders mate to the case... Then you need new bearings, and what shape is the crank in ect...? Does your case have case savers? Unless you can re-use all your old parts, cam ect... you could easily spend a few hundred on rebuild your lower end....

[rust_prone]

Hi guys,

"Not together yet with this engine." Was presumptuous on my part. I was updating this little saga of mine concerning my '63. Sorry for the lack of clarity. I am rebuilding the engine from the short block. This is my first time rebuilding VW so I was not going to split the case. However, prior to putting the jugs and pistons and the top of the motor back together we noticed end play. I hope the clarifies things for you.

BTW, End play is not vertical movement, it is lateral movement in and out of the case:)

The quote was from Der German VW machine specialist here in Tulsa. They broke it down for me, it made sense. I'll post it later, (not on me now).

They are going to align bore it, and replace the bearings. I do not know if I have case savers as it is still bolted together.

Folks, I apologize for my limited mechanical vocabulary and experience. I am learning more everyday and thankfully the curve is starting flatten out a little bit.

[keifernet]

No need to apologize, Case savers are for repairing (or preventing) a pulled head stud. you can see them without splitting the case.... If you don't have them have the machinist install them... I put them on every engine I rebuild, they came from the factory starting with the AH AK case, Any earlier case F, H, B, AE or other type 3 # universal case that does not have them needs them... Be sure to ask them about the decking too.....

[rust_prone]

Here is the quote...sound good to you?

Vat the case (clean it) 20
Line bore case 50
Main bearings 38.95
Rod bearings 14
Fly wheel(used opt) 35
Fly cut heads 60
Main seal 5
Cam bearings 10.50

Total 212.45

Build back short blk 80
Build back long blk 150

Thanks to Der German for the quote. Anyone familiar with VW service will find their shop expertly equipped and emaculate. In Tulsa, it is the place to go for precision VW machine work.

[keifernet]

I see nothing wrong with that at all from a shop stand point, very fair to a customer, a total do it your selfer might save a few bucks if he only had to pay for machine work alone, bought his own parts and assembled it himself. If a shop can't make some kind of profit they won't be there for you in the future....

[rust_prone]

Thanks to everyone for the input.

Keifernet, I'll be sure to ask about the decking and case savers too. Many people have said to do this job, get it done right the first time, especially and obviously if I want this engine to last.

If I had more time I would study the inner-workings in my Haynes to a greater degree and
attempt it myself. Sadly, I do not. Maybe on the next one. Until then I'll just keep my chin up fix the million other little things in this restoration;)

[stillworks]

dwest19304 you sound like A Cool Guy. Keep up the Good work. Want your motor to last? Change Oil Offen :0