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On a type 1 conversion beams, spindle to spindle, can i use the type 3 brakes on the type 1 spindles? or do I have to also buy brakes for a type 1?
Thanks for any info!
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thank ya thank ya!
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Bannedwagen
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:13 pm Post subject: |
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So on these conversions........Is this where a type 1 bulk head is welded on to a type 3 pan then a ball joint unit is used?
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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the type 1 beam usually has mounts added on so it will mount to a T3
altho it Does Not Use The Bottom Mounts
i have heard you have to cut them off
Im still wanting a T1 beam
my bottom mounts are getting bad with how low i sit
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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if your looking to buy a conversion beam then the several guys on here that are building them pretty much all build them from scratch. it is a type1 style of beam with custom mounts that mount it to the type3 panhead.
Autowerks in tenn built my conversion beam
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=742686
PunchDrunk is on your coast and also does nice conversion beams
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=1001795
squareonair in the missouri also does them still i believe.
beyond that yes i have seen a complete type1 panhead grafted in also. if you happen to have a spare panhead/beam for a donor and fab skills then thats surely one way to do it. if you don't have the donor stuff or the fab skills conversion beams are about the same price wise as a narrowed bug beam....ken...
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| Posted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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 2" narrowed T1 single airbag link pin
or standard width...
with drop spindles
but the wheels i have if i can get a 6" with the 65ET without adapters would sit perfectly
AND look narrowed
T1 air beam for clearance (i can lower about 1-2" more in the front)
and drop spindles so the telemetry is closer to Stock but sits 2"s lower
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| Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:32 am Post subject: |
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I'll add that the punch drunk beam actually lets you use the factory body bushing for mounting, all others I've seen use a big stack of washers lol. His adjusters are superior as well
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the purpose then is to be able to use dropped spindles so there is no sacrifice to ride quality, if you are looking for a 2.5" drop? How do you get more drop?
Not looking to break the bank on this daily.
My experience with type 1 beams that have had the torsions removed to lower the stance is a stiff ride.
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the drop spindles give you 2.5" then you just index the suspension like normal
if my car had drop spindles then i would still lower it a bit to get where i am now
BUT you will have more of the same distance in travel just sit 2 inches lower
same with Drop spring plates
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from what i recal, just putting a type one beam drops the car atleast an inch or so. so with drop spindles you are at 3.5" or more without adjusting. i have a punch drunk beam on the way. he can build them either link pin or bj.
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I have a 67 type 1 with a ball joint front end, haven't had any problems with it. Any arguments for link pin over ball joint?
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I can see doing a conversion beam on an early type 3 just to get affordable 5 lug discs and a narrower track for rims as a bonus. What other benefit would there be for a conversion beam on a '66 and up except bug rims or an airbeam? Your stock beam is already adjustable and you have discs....Not putting down the conversion.... Just a thought .
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| Posted: Mon Dec 06, 2010 9:59 am Post subject: |
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narrowed for more wheel choices. the ability to get lower than you can get with stock type3 beam since since the type1 conversion beam sits higher on the panhead and you trim those stock bottom beam mounts off giving you about 2" more of clearance than you would have with the stock beam. so basiclly it's for people who want to go low and have more wheel choice. for some it's just about having a narrowed t3....ken....
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other advantages are bug parts are readily available, so parts to repair and replace are easier and cheaper along with the fact that they arent parts available to rebuild the type 3 beam. once it goes bad, you buy a decent used one and when it goes bad so on and son on.
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just thinking out loud: how much narrower is a t1 beam from a t3 beam, both being stock? could we use a widened t1 beam as a replacement for our aging t3 beams?
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again, i was just thinking out loud. i am not keen on the particulars, but from the looks of the comments in this thread, a t1 beam is not a good choice.
so the alternative is to get someone to repop the consumable parts of the beam. anyone?
i have no idea the condition of mine. hopefully it will last me a year.
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the track width between type one and type three is almost identical, so it would not need to be widened.
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