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alexwoa
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what is rare?
here in germany in the 50ies and 60ies a whole bunch of companies started to produce some more or less nice and useful accessories for the volkswagen to participate of the good selling bug.
some of these companies produces in masses and those parts are of course shown in all kind of cataloges.
some of them did not have the money to advertise in gute fahrt or perohaus did not resold their products.
some of them did not even managed to settle their product on the market like the Jsgus VW mirror clock which i bought 2 and 2 prototypes of them directly out of the old company show room.
or the vw click on tow hock and many more ...
rare is what IN2VWS does not even find in his cataloges 
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Rare to me is just one of something out there even though I use the term "RARE" alot in my ads I truly believe rare is just having one of something out there that everyone is trying to get. To me I only know of one rare item out there and that's my old empi titelock rack now owned by Matt D'azzo in New York now that my friend I call a true rare accessory ugly or not
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| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 2:26 pm Post subject: What is Rare? |
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| I believe in Websters definition : Unusual or Special. |
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Nothing is really" rare" in the VW world. Try to find parts for a Tucker.
Seriously, if you have the time to look and money to spend, almost everything is available.
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IN2VWS
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rare is what IN2VWS does not even find in his cataloges
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I agree, I do not have everything in my catalogs......but not everything that people say "is rare and for a VW", is really for a VW at all.
Maybe there is a reason it is not in catalogs....
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rare is what IN2VWS does not even find in his cataloges
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I agree, I do not have everything in my catalogs......but not everything that people say "is rare and for a VW", is really for a VW at all.
Maybe there is a reason it is not in catalogs.... |
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with comments like that I'd rather have IN2VWS represent Australia on a global stage instead of our prime-minister. 
Rare: something desirable, that is no longer in mass numbers due to time/lack of large scale manufacture. or anything vintage Hazet  |
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Jake Martinez
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:05 am Post subject: Re: what is rare? |
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rare is what IN2VWS does not even find in his cataloges
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what if he just doesnt have the catalog yet 
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IMO, If someone is going to make a claim that something is rare, and therefore charge an exorbitant price for it, then the burdon of proof that it is a rare VW accessory should be with the seller.
In the case of the clock, Alex claims he bought them direct from Isgus. Surely they would have proof that they were intended for VW's. He also mentions that they are prototypes. Prototypes for what? VW, Goliath, DKW, Goggomobile??? If they are for a VW, why doesn't the face match the VW speedo face?
I am not professing to be an expert on all accessories. But, I have been able to prove and disprove many accessories that were being sold by ebay sellers around the world.
Remember the days when people were selling the Ford Taunus clocks as rare VW clocks? Or the Opel clocks as VW clocks? Or the DKW horn buttons as rare VW accessory horn buttons? The candle holders as gearshift ashtrays?
Why do I bother saying anything about the fake accessories? Simply, I don't like seeing people getting ripped off, as I did from an asshole German ebay seller, when he sold me a fake VW clock. Read about it here: http://www.in2vws.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=65&Itemid=79
I make no money from it. I don't collect accessories, so I am not benefiting by trying to push anything I am trying to sell.
I don't know everything, but when I can prove with the aid of some of my catalogs, I will try to help, for the benefit of genuine VW collectors. People can disagree with me, and thats fine. But I do wish that when they disagree, they produce some evidence in the same spirit, or way that I do.
Some of you guys have great collections, including you Alex. You have some very nice items on ebay. Keep collecting and enjoy the hobby/obsession. But keep it real.
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i was just saying that you may not have the catalog yet. or do you have most of them?
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Hi Jake, I was not having a go at you. Most of my comments were general comments.
Some people collect accessories, I collect catalogs. My collection is not that large, but I do have some nice pieces. So, to answer your question, No, I don't have all the catalogs, but as for the clock from Alex, it won't be in a catalog, as Alex says they were 'prototypes'.
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def: Rare - Infrequently occurring; uncommon
Something rare is not always valuable; some people just don't get that....
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alexwoa
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you really bought that clock - come one the whole world is laughing about that fake. you do not need a catalog to know this is sh**
some items are fake but nice - like romanos großglockner badge with the bug on it - but that clock is not even nice ...
when i started my collection i also looked in catalogs to get refernce but after i nearly had everything in there i came to the point to hunt for items which are not even in there.
i want to have it in my hands if i talk about it.
isn't it rediculas to talk about a item you only have a pic (or not even that) if somebody on the other side talked to former employees about the development of the clock for vw but that they only sold a hand full because they were too expensive compared to kienzle mirror clock.
if you would have the chance to have it in your own hands you would see how perfect it matches / fits the mirror arm angle - you would not need a catalog to kow it's christmas
i bought 2 (still mounted on vw mirrors) and 2 or 3 prototypes.
btw. how do you like the "ford taunus" tow hook - it must be a ford, dkw or gogomobil tow hook because i can't find it in a catalog - so they must made a mistake and printed vw käfer on the box
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more pics on facebook http://www.facebook.com/Alex.World.of.Accessories
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isn't it rediculas to talk about a item you only have a pic (or not even that) if somebody on the other side talked to former employees about the development of the clock for vw but that they only sold a hand full because they were too expensive compared to kienzle mirror clock.
if you would have the chance to have it in your own hands you would see how perfect it matches / fits the mirror arm angle - you would not need a catalog to kow it's christmas
i bought 2 (still mounted on vw mirrors) and 2 or 3 prototypes.
btw. how do you like the "ford taunus" tow hook - did they made a mistake and printed vw käfer on the box
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Alex, You were the one that started this topic about the clock, not me. If you think it is ridiculous for me to talk about it, then why did you start the topic??????
Ford Taunus tow hook?????? Why do you say it is a Ford Taunus tow hook?????
Alex, you mention Romano....In the past, you were guilty of the same shit he did. You were selling Opel and Ford clocks, and other items, on ebay and you were telling people that they were for a VW.
Again, I ask the question, Why does the face of your clock not match the beetle speedo face? I am not saying your clock is a fake. It is a real clock, but for which car?
I like the picture of your Stahlgruber catalogs. It looks like you are missing some.
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it seems IN2VWS is in(2)vws but not deep enough.
not everything what is jumping is a kangoroo
i have to read that a ducati collector knows more about a vw clock than the company itself who produced it? 
IMO you can give somebody the info that something seems to be authentic because you saw it also in a catalog BUT you can not say someting is a fake or homemade because YOU did not see it in one of YOUR cataloges - not this way round !
how can you talk bad about carstens camping wheel? he is a real honorable collector who maybe owned more accessories in the former days as you ever can look up in your papers!
i'm not cheap - but always fair !!!
for example if i sell the small rosenthal /thomas porcellain "whatever" on ebay i mention: " it never existed as an gear shift ash tray - it is customized but it matches the vases / looks nice".
so the customer can decide to buy if he likes the style but get not ripped by some cracy lies like other sellers do - you are right.
btw. i like tim's clock - very nice !
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IN2VWS
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it seems IN2VWS is in(2)vws but not deep enough.
not everything what is jumping is a kangoroo
i have to read that a ducati collector knows more about a vw clock than the company itself who produced it?
IMO you can give somebody the info that something seems to be authentic because you saw it also in a catalog BUT you can not say someting is a fake or homemade because YOU did not see it in one of YOUR cataloges - not this way round !
how can you talk bad about carstens camping wheel? he is a real honorable collector who maybe owned more accessories in the former days as you ever can look up in your papers!
i'm not cheap - but always fair !!!
for example if i sell the small rosenthal /thomas porcellain "whatever" on ebay i mention: " it never existed as an gear shift ash tray - it is customized but it matches the vases / looks nice".
so the customer can decide to buy if he likes the style but get not ripped by some cracy lies like other sellers do - you are right.
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Ich hoffe, dass mein Deutsch zu schreiben für Sie sinnvoll ist, wie ich glaube, es ist etwas in Ihren Englisch-Übersetzung verloren. Sie erzählte einen Witz über Kängurus, die ich nicht verstehe. Es muss ein Witz nur für Deutsche sein.
Sie scheinen in der Kommentare, die ich über Ihre Uhr gemacht aufregen.
Sie wollen nur Kommentare über die Uhr darüber, wie toll es ist zu hören, und wie groß Sie sind etc.
Ich bin nur meiner Meinung nach auf der Uhr, die mir erlaubt, auf einem öffentlichen Forum zu tun habe. Wenn du es nicht magst, was die Leute über Ihre Uhr auf einem Forum zu sagen, dann sollten Sie nicht beginnen, eine Diskussion darüber.
Sie haben keine der Fragen, die ich fragte, antwortete. Stattdessen können Sie nur über mich herfallen. Nach dir, weil ich eine Ducati fahren, ich weiß nichts von VW.
Sie dann versuchen, andere Menschen in unsere Diskussion einzubeziehen. Ich weiß nicht, Carsten. Ich habe noch nie Carsten erfüllt. Ich habe keine Probleme mit Carsten. Ich habe nur Kommentare über einem Lenkrad, das er besitzt.
Wie ich bereits erwähnte, wenn Sie Informationen aus dem Unternehmen ISGUS haben, dass die Uhr für einen VW, dann zeige es allen. Diese werden am Ende aller Diskussionen, die Sie nicht mögen.
Wenn Sie nicht über diese Informationen verfügen, dann ist die Diskussion wird immer sein.
Der Preis, den Sie für die Uhr zu fragen, müssen Sie nachweisen können, es ist authentisch.
Mit allem Zubehör, die nicht in den Katalogen bekannt sind, die Beweislast für die Echtheit der Gegenstände, sollte mit der Person, die behaupten, dass es authentisch ist. Wenn sie nicht nachweisen kann, ist es authentisch, wie kann dann sagen sie, dass sie authentisch ist?
Von den Fotos, die Sie von Ihren Katalogen zeigten, kann ich sehen, wir haben fast die gleiche Sammlung. Sie haben einige Kataloge, die ich nicht habe, und ich habe einige, die Kataloge, die Sie nicht haben.
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I hope that my German writing makes sense to you, as I think there is something lost in your english translation. You told a joke about kangaroos, which I do not understand. It must be a joke only for Germans.
You appear to be upset at the comments I made about your clock.
You only want to hear comments about the clock about how great it is, and how great you are etc.
I am only giving my opinion on the clock, which I am allowed to do on a public forum. If you do not like what people say about your clock on a forum, then you should not begin a discussion about it.
You have not answered any of the questions that I asked. Instead, you only attack me. According to you, because I ride a Ducati, I know nothing about VW's.
You then try to include other people in our discussion. I do not know Carsten. I have never met Carsten. I do not have any problems with Carsten. I only made comments about a steering wheel that he owns.
As I mentioned previously, if you have information from the company Isgus, that the clock is for a VW, then show it to everyone. This will end all the discussions that you do not like.
If you do not have this information, then the discussions will always be.
The price that you are asking for the clock, you must be able to prove it is authentic.
With all accessories that are not known in catalogs, the burden of proof as to the authenticity of such items, should be with the person making the claim that it is authentic. If they cannot prove it is authentic, then how can they say that it is authentic?
From the photos you showed of your catalogs, I can see we have nearly the same collection. You have some catalogs that I do not have, and I have some that catalogs you do not have.
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alexwoa
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it seems that you are also IN2GERMAN
i hope my english is better than your internet translation site...
isn't it too arrongant to talk bad about somebodies items just because you do not find it in your catalogs? a small fire could delete the whole so called knowledge. |
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.....again, you will not answer any questions.
Isn't it arrogant to say something is original, when you have no proof?
You asked if it is arrogant to talk bad about your clock. I have not talked bad about your clock. All I have done is ask questions, which you will not answer.
So, according to you, no one should ever ask questions about your products?
If you did not want me to question your clock, then you should not have mentioned me in your first post, you invited me into this debate.
Remember the clocks you have sold in the past? The Ford and Opel clocks? And what did you tell people which car these were for? You sold them as rare VW clocks.
Look back in history, and your reputation is not perfect. Search your feedback on this forum and you will see.
Yes a small fire could delete your knowledge.....and your clock too.
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seems you do not understand - i'm not talking about my clock or what you think about it - i'm talking general!
it is not the nice way talking bad about other peoples (you do that with many guys here) items just because YOU did not do your homework good enough!
is the sun too hot for you so you mix up some facts/sellers?
i never sold ford or opel clocks by mentioning they are vw-clocks if they are not!
thanks to all my good customers for all the nice feedback!
i had to read that you got ripped off in the former days (maybe in this special case better say you ripped yourself off) but it was somebody else! so take your gun in the right direction!
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