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Serpent7
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 Posted: Thu Jan 27, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: Link, or King? |
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I have a 79 Bus, 4 speed, with stock everything. I am considering a new adjustable/narrowed front beam. I see some beams advertised as a King Pin, and a Link Pin Beam. My questions are what do I have stock? How can I tell the difference? Which beam should I go with? and lastly, what accessories should I get with the beam? shorter shocks? new ball joints? etc...
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You have a ball joint beam. Bay Buses never came with king and link pins.
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Beat me to it.
A deep, dark part of me would love a kingpin front end for lifting reasons, but I like the way balljoint works.
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RatCamper
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Lift spindles aren't legal here  As it is there was someone who dropped an awful lot of $ on getting a pair of drop spindles certified for his beetle. I really hate to think of how many thousands it cost. He is redeeming a small portion of the cost by selling copies of the engineers report for that particular spindle type I think.
I seem to recall he needed special equipment constructed to measure forces, and destructively test at least one set of drop spindles and OE spindles to prove they were as strong if not stronger than the originals. I think the car also had to go through the handling and braking certification.
The modification path here is either design and make something very, very carefully and hopefully get the vehicle with modifications engineer certified (certification seems to be $900+ these days) or what it seems like a lot of people do and not tell anyone and hope no-one notices / cares.
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I wish. I wish. Seems to be kind of like Germany's modification laws.
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I have a 79 Bus, 4 speed, with stock everything. I am considering a new adjustable/narrowed front beam. I see some beams advertised as a King Pin, and a Link Pin Beam. My questions are what do I have stock? How can I tell the difference? Which beam should I go with? and lastly, what accessories should I get with the beam? shorter shocks? new ball joints? etc...
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why not ask in the lowering sticky? The one that says I want to lower my bay. Lots of answers there.
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| its not kings OR links, its kings and links. So, if you buy an beam advertised and "link pin," you will get both king pins and link pins with that beam. the kings do the steering and the links do the suspending, all in one knuckle. |
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Is the problem that you're not allowed to use non-factory engineered parts on your vehicle? I know I've seen beam mounting side plates with both early bay and late bay bolt patterns for sale.
If you can legally have a supplier build you a beam, you could easily buy a king and link pin style beam that would bolt up to your chassis. Late split beams will bolt into early bay buses, but later bays have different side plate mounting hole positions. There were also 3/4 ton and 1 ton king/link beams produced. I would think you'd want the 1 ton. You'll also have to figure out the brake booster mounting bracket. If you are allowed to have a supplier build you a beam, I imagine you could tell them your needs, and they would take care of you.
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Lift spindles aren't legal here As it is there was someone who dropped an awful lot of $ on getting a pair of drop spindles certified for his beetle. I really hate to think of how many thousands it cost. He is redeeming a small portion of the cost by selling copies of the engineers report for that particular spindle type I think.
I seem to recall he needed special equipment constructed to measure forces, and destructively test at least one set of drop spindles and OE spindles to prove they were as strong if not stronger than the originals. I think the car also had to go through the handling and braking certification.
The modification path here is either design and make something very, very carefully and hopefully get the vehicle with modifications engineer certified (certification seems to be $900+ these days) or what it seems like a lot of people do and not tell anyone and hope no-one notices / cares. |
They are OEM arm and OEM spindle, the only thing different is they are mount inverse with locking system. |
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