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pafree Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2005 Posts: 2298 Location: dayton, the one in texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 8:44 pm Post subject: steering box cover trouble. |
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1972 type 1 stock steering box. cut and turned front end. 700x15s.
what would cause the steering box cover to blow all four tabs, lift up and cause the steering wheel to free wheel? no high speeds but lots of bumps and ruts on the deer lease. the only other change from stock is that i didn't use the stock steering column and extended the tube and used a U-bolt to hold it up. could it be too much angle for the steering box shaft? i thought between the mesh crush section the steering coupler( rubber) would make up for it.
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BearBroth Samba Member

Joined: May 11, 2004 Posts: 142 Location: San Antonio TX. (just north of Hades)
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:35 pm Post subject: |
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The tie rods transfer shock loads to the pitman, straight up through the box, and to the box cover. This is true specially if there's play in your box already. If you get a big washer (I forget the size exactly) big enough to snugly fit onto the shaft coming out of the box, it'll take up whatever slack exists that allows the box to get pounded. IIRC this is covered in the Dunebuggy book. someone else may have a better explanation but I did it to my baja years back and it still takes a pounding with no issues. _________________ "It is possible to store the mind with a million facts and still be entirely uneducated."
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pafree Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2005 Posts: 2298 Location: dayton, the one in texas
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| eviljedi25 wrote: |
| IIRC this is covered in the Dunebuggy book. |
are you talking about the hibbard book? |
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Madkel Samba Member

Joined: May 02, 2008 Posts: 107 Location: North San Diego County
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Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2011 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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Greetings,
Find some new or used 4th gear thrust washers from a vw trans shop and put them on the output shaft above the pitman arm. Bolt the arm back on and you are good to go.
If I remember correctly, the early type washer fit a bit better than the late type. I was able to get 2 washers on my 181 box.
The washers spread the vertical force on to the steering box housing and help to prevent shaft from blowing out the top of the box. _________________ 1973 Type 181 - 2016cc - 091 trans
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pafree Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2005 Posts: 2298 Location: dayton, the one in texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:13 am Post subject: |
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| Madkel wrote: |
Greetings,
Find some new or used 4th gear thrust washers from a vw trans shop and put them on the output shaft above the pitman arm. Bolt the arm back on and you are good to go.
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| eviljedi25 wrote: |
| If you get a big washer (I forget the size exactly) big enough to snugly fit onto the shaft coming out of the box, it'll take up whatever slack exists that allows the box to get pounded.. |
thank you both for the information. this was something new for me. |
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Lotrat Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2007 Posts: 2528 Location: Vista, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Alternator shims work great. You need a new cover? I have one you can have. Shoot me a PM.
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pafree Samba Member

Joined: August 16, 2005 Posts: 2298 Location: dayton, the one in texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Lotrat wrote: |
Alternator shims work great. You need a new cover? I have one you can have. Shoot me a PM.
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thanks for the offer. i have a spare steering box to put on it. before the tab on the last of the four bolts broke, it blew out the threaded hole on the steering box.
how did i miss needing or not have to do this before? have i just been a old grandma driver or just that the terrain at the hunting lease has just got that bad after all the rain. ruts, stumps and car tweaking positions. |
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Lotrat Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2007 Posts: 2528 Location: Vista, CA
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Posted: Thu Feb 10, 2011 12:29 pm Post subject: |
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| pafree wrote: |
| how did i miss needing or not have to do this before? have i just been a old grandma driver or just that the terrain at the hunting lease has just got that bad after all the rain. ruts, stumps and car tweaking positions. |
I haven't put my shims on yet. Guess I've been lucky for the last 3 years. One good hit on an old box and it's over... |
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