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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:55 am    Post subject: Put rear fog lamp in US taillights? Reply with quote

Anyone successfully add a rear foglamp assembly into a US taillamp? I always have rear fogs on my vehicles and the Vanagon will get one. If I can avoid mounting an external one, I'd love to. I'm sure the european taillights have the factory rear fogs integrated, so wondering if anyone's used one as a model and found a way to add it to US models?

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dug up this old thread for you:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=185350&highlight=tail+light
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tail light mod isn't effective.
You can put a bulb back there and wire it but the light output is minimal. The unused section lacks any focusing reflector for the light bulb so the area is dim. In addition to that the plastic lens isn't designed to let light through effectively as it is the only tail light section that is actually a reflector and not intended to let light through.
If you want a rear fog light one your best options is a stand alone unit. If you mount it to the sheetmetal to the left of the licence plate it would be out of the way and not look like a add on as much.
The Euro tail light versions do have a section for the rear fog but there are some differences that make them unable to bolted straight onto a NA spec van I have been told. I have never held one in my hand to confirm this though.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty sure that 1621 has got a fog lamp mounted on the rear of his Westy!
Looks very nice, too!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Pretty sure that 1621 has got a fog lamp mounted on the rear of his Westy!
Looks very nice, too!

Groupie. Smile Post up some pictures, certainly you have some. Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Groupie. Smile Post up some pictures, certainly you have some. Wink


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shocked That is pretty funny.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As my Transporter came from germany it had one rear fog light which was on the L/S. The vehicles in the UK [RHD] had them on the R/S. So i got a Hella tail light socket from someone in the UK. I had to cut the back of where the bulb went into to lens, and run a wire from left to right but now i have fogs on both sides. They are twice as bright as the stock running tail lights so whenever it's real bad out or on a highway at night i switch those on also to make me more noticable.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I forgot that IdahoDoug has a EU delivered syncro. The tail light housings might be much better for a rear fog mod, possibly be already wired for it?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 87 had a gray wire that is part of the rear tail light plug in the black box (upper left front of engine bay).

I used that wire to run a speed sensor for the subaru conversion. BUT I was told that the indended use was a drivers side 21w bulb between the running light and the brake light.

I did the mod like in the post above. Added extra 10w running lights. I would like to think the mod is a good one. I have seen a lot of vanagons running around with one side out and a whimppy 5w on one side.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are the rear fogs supposed to be red to prevent blinding drivers behind you? I'm pretty sure it's illegal to have clear lights on the back of vehicles in the US except reverse lights of course.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are the rear fogs supposed to be red to prevent blinding drivers behind you? I'm pretty sure it's illegal to have clear lights on the back of vehicles in the US except reverse lights of course.


It's not the white section but rather the postion under it. I read somewhere
that the lenses in Europe are different as well from ours. That postion for the fog lamp
has a different reflective arrangement?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Are the rear fogs supposed to be red to prevent blinding drivers behind you?

Yes, they are just to make your car more visible in bad conditions.
The 1621 pic. above shows a yellow fog light for backing up or rear lighting for camping only really.

I did the mod posted above long ago to add more rear brake lights and the improvement is minimal as shown here- even though this example is tied into the running lights you can see the difference.
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The rear fog indicator is supposed to be much brighter than the running lights to be more effective for people seeing the vehicle in heavy fog.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Put rear fog lamp in US taillights? Reply with quote

IdahoDoug wrote:
Anyone successfully add a rear foglamp assembly into a US taillamp? I always have rear fogs on my vehicles and the Vanagon will get one. If I can avoid mounting an external one, I'd love to. I'm sure the european taillights have the factory rear fogs integrated, so wondering if anyone's used one as a model and found a way to add it to US models?

Thanks in advance,

DougM


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You could cut the sheet metal and get an "integrated " look. I did not want the extra work. I am considering replacing or trying some LEDs when and if I can find the right type in red.

They are controlled by a switch ON with front fog lights/OFF/ON with brake lights.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a mod that I had to think twice about. What I did was dremel out the plastic between the dead no bulb section, and the other. It bleeds over and look really nice. Figured I would share.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooh, I have groupies! Razz

The light in the picture is simply a back-up light, not intended for use as a rear fog. It just happens to be originally intended as a fog light. I've since replaced the yellow lens with a clear and it serves it's purpose well.

I also did the taillight mod to the unused section, but like Syncrodoka pointed out, the lack of a reflector and the design of the lens limits the amount of visible light. While nice, certainly not an effective rear fog light.

Stephan (The 1.8T originator) has an external rear fog on his Syncro. I would think it would get bashed up if you're really into offroading, but might give you some ideas.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1621 wrote:
Ooh, I have groupies! Razz

The light in the picture is simply a back-up light, not intended for use as a rear fog. It just happens to be originally intended as a fog light. I've since replaced the yellow lens with a clear and it serves it's purpose well.

I also did the taillight mod to the unused section, but like Syncrodoka pointed out, the lack of a reflector and the design of the lens limits the amount of visible light. While nice, certainly not an effective rear fog light.

Stephan (The 1.8T originator) has an external rear fog on his Syncro. I would think it would get bashed up if you're really into offroading, but might give you some ideas.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have euro spec clear taillights from Germany in my van. I didn't pay much attention to the lens and reflector when I installed them. I did notice during installation that the two lower sections from the corner were communicated as opposed to the US version, meaning light from the brake section by the corner flowed in to the center section. I used a small roll of aluminum foil to size to separate these two section. Reason: these are clear taillights so I wanted to make sure the brake red light didn't get too diffused between the two sections, I wanted a real bright red light.

I did notice other differfences in the back of the taillight but I cannot remember now, same with wiring, can't remember. I will be pulling them out soon to do 3rd brake light so I will take pics.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the extra light out side. Reminds me of the 86-87 porsche 911.

Maybe the third brake like could be wired in to light up half when the fogs are on and full when the brakes are on?

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 20, 2011 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have foglights on one taillight in my Syncro 16 Doka. IIRC there was an additional reflector on the lens. I'll have to check next time I'm by my Syncro. Not sure about the right side because it is not the original unit. It even has a totally different harness connector.
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