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PostPosted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:12 pm    Post subject: Is this dizzy & cap correct for a NOV '54 bus? Reply with quote

Morning all,

I've referenced this dizzy on two websites but one of my mates is adamant that it's not correct, so I'm hoping you lot will act as adjudication panel between the two of us... Laughing Please?

Bosch VJ4BR8

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Thank you.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 6:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe that's correct for 54. The cap is for an earlier 383 and not compatible. Not sure about the rotor. Also the cast body should be black; looks like a poor quality repaint? Here's the cap you need:
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=111905207B
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The cap is not for s 383, it's also not for a VW. There were Bosch distributors for other makes that used that cap.

It should look like this:

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The cap originally was dark brown like the ones in the back.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^yeah, I thought that cap looked kinda strange. Flat top like 383 but taller? Any idea what it's for?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 7:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, chaps.

Glenn, can you confirm or deny the rotor's correctness, please?

I'll have the dizzy body sprayed black once I've found all of the tin and send that lot in together.

Pity...all of the real neat 'early-looking' stuff is for 25 Hps. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe a '54 distributor would have the spring clips for the cap.

Like this Bug example:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=873326
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Rotor from a later '55 engine:
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(Not sure if correct but the rotor should be this general shape)
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Everett.

My mate is also pushing the point of spring clips, however, when I do a Google Image search for this dizzy, it shows a mix of solid and spring-style clips, which is confusing the matter immensely.

I'm thinking that perhaps it was a different batch or something to that effect?

My rotor is slightly different to the one in your '55 photo, but it is the correct shape.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally believe it's an early vs. late thing and there is some overlap but am not sure exactly when the spring clips were discontinued. It was at least mid-1955 though.

Here's another engine (Bug) from 1-2/1955 that still has spring clips:
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This looks very original to me for that time frame.

I have a very nice original 2/55 distributor for my 2/55 Bus and it has the spring clips.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alright, I'm giving up my hope that this is the correct dizzy. Darn. :/

Thanks.

I'll have to save pennies to bring in the right one... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ev,

I've seen early 383s (no o-ring) with both style of cap clips... along with VJU4BR8 and VJ4BR8. There's no pattern and it seems to be more related to who was the supplier at the time.

Left side is NOS correct.
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A VJ4BR8 used a non-resistor rotor which the VJR4BR8 used a resistor rotor. Not sure if it matters.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that, Glenn.

Excuse my (seemingly severe) dizzy ignorance here, but mine is missing its o-ring, but is a VJ4BR8...

Wait for the stupid question...

Is it possibly correct then or definitely incorrect?

My rotor is a little different to the one in the photo (LHS) and looks to use the points shown on the RHS. What a wierd mix this appears to be.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Merlin wrote:
Thanks for that, Glenn.

Excuse my (seemingly severe) dizzy ignorance here, but mine is missing its o-ring, but is a VJ4BR8...

The groove is there, just the rubber must of cracked and fallen off.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was rather unclear with my last message. My apologies.

Based on your input about "early 383s with no o-rings"...

My understanding is that my cap, points and rotor are wrong, but that the dizzy (with solid clips) may be correct?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one is my picture would be correct.

Don't get crazy over "correct" tuneup parts.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wire and solid cap clips were both used in the middle 50's.

Here's a early 383, no o-ring, with solid clips.
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And a later one with the o-ring and wire clips.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Glenn. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 12, 2014 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have several VJ4 and they are all solid clips.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I have several VJ4 and they are all solid clips.


Thanks djfordmanjack. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 2:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

should it look like this one?
wire clips, no vacuum advance
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 13, 2014 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes on the above.

In my opinion it should have wire clips for 1954.

Here's an owner's manual photo too:
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