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rredwar Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 32 Location: TARKINGTON TEXAS
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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:48 pm Post subject: lowering a stock 67 front end |
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ok so i have a dumb question and havent seen anything on here about it. My question is why cant you loosen the grub screws on the front end and drop the front end, then tighten the grub screws back up? Wouldnt it be the same as using beam adjusters? |
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:48 am Post subject: |
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If your talking about the center Grub Screw it is only for securing and centering the torsion springs. It screws into a fixed portion of the center of the tube and on original axles wont rotate. Thus the installation of adjusters is required. On Ball Joint beams it's best to start with spindles to not create binding ball joints when lowering. Then if you need adjusters ad them to create the height you like.
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rredwar Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 32 Location: TARKINGTON TEXAS
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:34 am Post subject: |
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Ok so the bars wont turn inside the beams? I wasn't sure if they did or not. Thanks for the help |
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 10:54 am Post subject: |
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They just twist inside from the center fixed grub screw holder. _________________ 51 RHD Split
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rredwar Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 32 Location: TARKINGTON TEXAS
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 3:48 pm Post subject: |
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wouldnt it be the same as installing adjusters? Dont you loosen up the adjusters and and move the bars to lower the car, then re tighten them? |
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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rredwar wrote: |
Ok so the bars wont turn inside the beams? I wasn't sure if they did or not. |
No, the beam is crimped holding the center block in place.
Like Jer*Fab said, the only twist you will get will be from the center out to the torsion arms.
If the center block wasnt crimped/fixed to the beam it would rotate with the leaves being somewhat like an adjustable beam. _________________ ✠Miklo✠
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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rredwar wrote: |
wouldnt it be the same as installing adjusters? Dont you loosen up the adjusters and and move the bars to lower the car, then re tighten them? |
The beam adjusters are in the same spot as the grub screw location but they are slotted to move up or down....then the grub screw is tightened to lock it down, then a lock bolt against that (if its that style). The torsion leaves go through a piece that is round with a square hole in the center that the torsions go through. It centers the torsions leaf pack in the tube. When the grub screw is tightened it locks that piece in place and keeps the whole torsion leaf pack from turning and allows the torsions to twist thus producing the suspension springing affect to softened the ride. What the adjustable beams allow you to do is turn the whole leaf pack inside the tube and then lock it down. Allowing you to raise or lower the suspension.
Adjustable beam. You can see the welded in adjuster that is slotted for adjustment:
Stock beam. You can see the grub screw is fixed in its position:
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rredwar Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 32 Location: TARKINGTON TEXAS
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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Ok I understand it now...thanks for yalls help.. |
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Posted: Wed Apr 06, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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not sure how far away tarkington is from Houston but we have a pretty good group of people on the northside
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rredwar Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 32 Location: TARKINGTON TEXAS
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 2:08 am Post subject: |
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Tarkington is between Dayton and Cleveland. Were about 45 min north of Houston on 59 |
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rredwar Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 32 Location: TARKINGTON TEXAS
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Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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here is my 67 I picked up a few weeks ago
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kolt10 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:39 am Post subject: |
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When I was first wanting lower my car and run air shocks I wondered the same question, and I was told the same answers you got. Once I cut and narrowed my own beam on my 67, I finally understood. So here is a pic for you to get the concept of the grub screw, it really only prevents side to side movement of the torsion leaves. This is the center part of the beam that I cut out when i narrowed my beam. The grooves hold the leaves, so if you remove the grub screw nothing is gonna happen because the part that holds the leaves is part of the beam tube.
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rredwar Samba Member

Joined: November 28, 2010 Posts: 32 Location: TARKINGTON TEXAS
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Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Kolt, thanks for that pic, I now have a better understanding of how the front end works. Thanks for everyones help. |
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