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Bugga
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 Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: need some help/info anything |
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So I donno if many of you know that I had 60 rag that my dad got me when I was 12,long story short..my dad passed away in 08 and we had to store all the bugs away at his buddy house for an odd reason. Well i moved back to Vegas after all this went down..and now after 3 year of my dad being gone i want my bug back. Well the dude has my bug,his son fixed it up and wont give it back cuz some how my step mom owned him money for some work,so he took the bug of mine. I have the title in my dads name in my hands and want to know if there is anyway I can somehow get it back? I know its a long shot but that bug means something to me..
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plasticman1432
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First off, I'm very sorry for your loss. It's been just a tick over 2 years since we lost my mom, and in many ways we're still picking up the pieces.
I don't know how it's done there, but the title is king here....if he doesn't have paper to the car, he doesn't legally own it. He might claim some sort of mechanics' lien sort of thing over the storage, but unless there was a written agreement regarding the terms, he wouldn't stand a chance in court.
The only way you could lose out is if your stepmom got a new title issued to her and the paperwork changed hands all legal-like. 
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Bugga
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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I'll have to ask her..but its all happened in CA so im trying to find out the laws
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plasticman1432
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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Here in NY pre-74 cars don't even get actual titles; the regi pretty much is the proof of ownership. If it is a titled vehicle, and your stepmom didn't bone you, you'd stand a better chance of reclaiming it.
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:42 pm Post subject: |
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| plasticman1432 wrote: |
| The only way you could lose out is if your stepmom got a new title issued to her and the paperwork changed hands all legal-like. |
I have also heard that a correct, original title trumps any title created later. Part of the cost to re-title is title insurance, isn't it? So they can claim to get paid back from the title company, not you.
However, and crucially, it was in your dad's name, not yours. And if she was the executor of his estate, then she can dispose of any of his assets, like the car.
So bottom line, you are probably out of luck. |
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plasticman1432
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I'm not sure how the dupe title thing goes, but I do know I've walked away from more than a few deals where the seller had no paper...after getting lightly burned once, that is.
(rewind to 1998)A buddy with a VW shop bought a Jeep plow truck and a glass buggy from a local guy as a package deal, and he then sold the buggy to me...the word was the guy was supposed to turn up with the title ASAP. Over a week or so I cleaned a ton of crap out of the tub and had the body almost separated from the pan when the guy's dad began calling everybody with threats of arrests and lawsuits because he held the paper to the car. My buddy came and got the buggy, refunded my money and put it back together before dropping it off at the guy's house.
I refer to it as the buggy I 'lost in a custody battle.' 
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Bugga
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| Posted: Tue Apr 12, 2011 9:22 pm Post subject: |
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Im asking my step mom some questions..then going from there.. thanks guys!
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Bugga
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Got the title in my name and its Reg in my name too..did that today..so thats a start..yay!
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Bugga
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Anyone gonna be a the Bug In May 1st... guess the dude who has my bug is gonna be there with it racing.. need some spys
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:59 am Post subject: |
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Fax a copy of your Title to the CA Police and get them involved.
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VDubTech
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| plasticman1432 wrote: |
| Here in NY pre-74 cars don't even get actual titles; the regi pretty much is the proof of ownership. |
Yes they do. NY began issuing titles in 1973. Anything prior to that ownership is the transferable registration. It's not "pretty much", that registration is your ownership on a 1972 or older motor vehicle in NY state.
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| I have also heard that a correct, original title trumps any title created later. Part of the cost to re-title is title insurance, isn't it? |
No, and no. A duplicate title supercedes any other title out there. If I lose the title to my car and go get a duplicate and then a week later find the original, it's now a worthless piece of paper. The most current title is always the most current ownership. As for title insurance, no, there cost of the title does not include title insurance, at least not here in NY state. No such thing here. The most current title is king, but laws and procedures vary wildly from state to state.
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KTPhil
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| A duplicate title supercedes any other title out there. If I lose the title to my car and go get a duplicate and then a week later find the original, it's now a worthless piece of paper. The most current title is always the most current ownership. |
Yes, if they are for the same person. But a new title that has a change of ownership does not trump. Usually, the earlier title is superior. And the DA's office may have a few questions for the new "owner." |
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VDubTech
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| VDubTech wrote: |
| A duplicate title supercedes any other title out there. If I lose the title to my car and go get a duplicate and then a week later find the original, it's now a worthless piece of paper. The most current title is always the most current ownership. |
Yes, if they are for the same person. But a new title that has a change of ownership does not trump. Usually, the earlier title is superior. And the DA's office may have a few questions for the new "owner." |
The most current issued title is the ownership document, regardless of whose name is on it. If I sold you my car and you titled it in your name I couldn't come along with an earlier title in my name and claim to own the car. The current title is in your name, it's your car. I work for the DMV, I deal with this stuff everyday. An earlier issued title is NEVER superior. The current ownership document is King, and the reason why titles have issue dates on them as well as a document number.
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| a measurement of your rod would be extremely useful. |
| notchboy wrote: |
| my dad wasnt a belittling cock when he tought me how to wrench on cars. |
| EverettB wrote: |
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10 photos = douchebaggery |
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Dave
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Anybody that sticks a bunch of $$ into a car (as in prepping it for racing) without clear paperwork, ie; THE TITLE IN THEIR NAME, is asking for trouble, and should get it. I bought an Oval Baja from a kid, who PROMISED me he would get me the title as soon as his dad got back from overseas and opened the safe deposit box. In the ensuing week, I put a dual port 1641 in it, a roll cage welded to the pan, seat belts, and new rear tires. The kid, and his dad, and Sheriff showed up at my house, his dad had the title, and the numbers matched the pan. I watched that guy drive away with my tires, my engine, my roll cage, and the Sheriff said there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it, if the guy who had the paperwork wanted to reimburse me for all the work and part, he could, but he had NO obligation to do so. And, of course, he didn't. I used to see that baby blue Oval Baja in town, and it never failed to piss me off, mainly because I was young, and an idiot.
Bugga, be at the Bug-In, with the title, a Law Enforcement Officer, and a tow bar.
Sounds like you've got yourself a race car.
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VDubTech
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| Dave wrote: |
| Bugga, be at the Bug-In, with the title, a Law Enforcement Officer, and a tow bar. |
That's good advice right there. If the title is still in your name, that's your car.
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| borninabus wrote: |
| a measurement of your rod would be extremely useful. |
| notchboy wrote: |
| my dad wasnt a belittling cock when he tought me how to wrench on cars. |
| EverettB wrote: |
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10 photos = douchebaggery |
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Tram
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| Dave wrote: |
Anybody that sticks a bunch of $$ into a car (as in prepping it for racing) without clear paperwork, ie; THE TITLE IN THEIR NAME, is asking for trouble, and should get it. I bought an Oval Baja from a kid, who PROMISED me he would get me the title as soon as his dad got back from overseas and opened the safe deposit box. In the ensuing week, I put a dual port 1641 in it, a roll cage welded to the pan, seat belts, and new rear tires. The kid, and his dad, and Sheriff showed up at my house, his dad had the title, and the numbers matched the pan. I watched that guy drive away with my tires, my engine, my roll cage, and the Sheriff said there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it, if the guy who had the paperwork wanted to reimburse me for all the work and part, he could, but he had NO obligation to do so. And, of course, he didn't. I used to see that baby blue Oval Baja in town, and it never failed to piss me off, mainly because I was young, and an idiot.
Bugga, be at the Bug-In, with the title, a Law Enforcement Officer, and a tow bar.
Sounds like you've got yourself a race car. |
Hopefully, the guy didn't swap VINs! 
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Bugga
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Tram wrote: |
| Dave wrote: |
Anybody that sticks a bunch of $$ into a car (as in prepping it for racing) without clear paperwork, ie; THE TITLE IN THEIR NAME, is asking for trouble, and should get it. I bought an Oval Baja from a kid, who PROMISED me he would get me the title as soon as his dad got back from overseas and opened the safe deposit box. In the ensuing week, I put a dual port 1641 in it, a roll cage welded to the pan, seat belts, and new rear tires. The kid, and his dad, and Sheriff showed up at my house, his dad had the title, and the numbers matched the pan. I watched that guy drive away with my tires, my engine, my roll cage, and the Sheriff said there wasn't a damn thing I could do about it, if the guy who had the paperwork wanted to reimburse me for all the work and part, he could, but he had NO obligation to do so. And, of course, he didn't. I used to see that baby blue Oval Baja in town, and it never failed to piss me off, mainly because I was young, and an idiot.
Bugga, be at the Bug-In, with the title, a Law Enforcement Officer, and a tow bar.
Sounds like you've got yourself a race car. |
Hopefully, the guy didn't swap VINs! |
I hope not..id be bummed forever
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