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Snoop Bob
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 Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 6:09 pm Post subject: Shifter Pin |
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I have picked up a couple of shifters for my 67 resto that I am fixing up. One of the shifters I acquired has the pin loose from the base. The pin and spring are there, but easily come out. The other shifters I have seem to be peened around the base of the pin and do not move at all. Is it not supposed to move at all, and if not, what is the purpose of the spring? Can the one with the loose pin and spring still be used? The pic below is from the gallery and other threads for reference.
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mintonman
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Spring is for when you push down for reverse and the pin should not move, it keeps the shifter from spinning.
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Snoop Bob
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| Posted: Sun May 08, 2011 7:38 pm Post subject: |
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I appreciate the response, but I am not talking about the spring between the shifter and the base. There is one that is in between the pin and the inside of the ball. This is the spring I am referring to.
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mintonman
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I know of no such spring, can you post a picture?
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| I believe it is to keep tension inside the socket, and possibly to reduce vibration and noise. It's all peaned together, but sometimes the assembly pops apart. You can try peaning it back together, but that is hardened steel and can be tricky to get it to hold in place properly. |
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Snoop Bob
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Ok...Thanks Greg...Minton, I will post a pic for you and thread posterity.
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guatebus
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It's kind of of hack, but one time I welded in a piece of rod to replace a pin and spring that fell out.
It seemed to work OK, so perhaps that spring is not essential. Greg's thought about vibration suppression seems like as good a guess as any.
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OK. 67 bus. Took it in for inspection here in Texas and inspector F's up sifter somehow. See picks below. I have to remove shifter hold down cover to reinstall shifter ball end and pin into shift rod cup but shift pin is real loose like OP states. I drive bus home fine about 2 miles but next day I take it for a spin and get no farther than 1 mile before shifter stuck in 3rd gear. I don't force anything and return home in 3rd. Inspection finds round end of pin in cup comes out again, see pics below. Do I need to remove shift rod and repair so that this pin does not move at all like OP was asking or is something else messed up. All other plastic bushings etc recently replaced.
Thanks in advance for any help as I cannot even get the bus out of garage at this point.
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Take the shifter off from the top, clean it up and take some more pictures its hard to tell whats going on there
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Krustybus
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Hard to tell from the picture, but the pin doesn't look right. More importantly, it looks like your 67 has an earlier shorter shifter. Check the first photo in this thread. 66-67 shifters are longer from the pivot point down.
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Thanks for the replies. Certainly not the shorter stick as implied above.
Again the question is---"Is the pin which is spring loaded with, surprise, a spring, supposed to move freely or be fixed in place?" like the OP asked.
Does not seem to be a definitive answer on the original question in this thread and that is what I am looking for.
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I am no expert....
On my 67 westy, I lost a pin somehow. Don't really recall since it was so long ago.
However, from a mechanical standpoint, the pin has to move, otherwise what is the point of the spring. My guess is that the spring is to keep the ball end of the pin in place. As things wear over time, it can pop out as you are experiencing. I was able to go to OSH and get a really large rivet that matched the original pin really close and put mine all back together and it has been that way for some time now.
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 9:44 pm Post subject: Re: shift rod pin |
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OK. 67 bus. Took it in for inspection here in Texas and inspector F's up sifter somehow. See picks below. I have to remove shifter hold down cover to reinstall shifter ball end and pin into shift rod cup but shift pin is real loose like OP states. I drive bus home fine about 2 miles but next day I take it for a spin and get no farther than 1 mile before shifter stuck in 3rd gear. I don't force anything and return home in 3rd. Inspection finds round end of pin in cup comes out again, see pics below. Do I need to remove shift rod and repair so that this pin does not move at all like OP was asking or is something else messed up. All other plastic bushings etc recently replaced.
Thanks in advance for any help as I cannot even get the bus out of garage at this point.
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The ball should not be popping out of the socket.
show pics of the part the shift stick is bolted to, that has the loop around the shift rod under the bus.
don't worry about the the pin. You can just fit it back in the socket.
yes there is a small spring in there. Pin is supposed to be peened so it doesn't back out, but if the shifter is staying where it is supposed to it is not a problem.
worry about why the ball is popping out of the socket. |
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Snoop Bob
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I agree with Clara. The pin should be peened in and not move freely. How have you progressed with this?
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deeeGLI
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Watching this thread an hoping it will help me out...yes my first post. 
Just bought a 66' single cab and shifter is extremely loose and feels like the shift pattern randomly reverses after a short trip around town..
Sorry if I Hijacked you thread OP....Just learning my way around here..lol |
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BeanWagon
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:01 am Post subject: Re: shift rod pin |
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OK. 67 bus. Took it in for inspection here in Texas and inspector F's up sifter somehow. See picks below. I have to remove shifter hold down cover to reinstall shifter ball end and pin into shift rod cup but shift pin is real loose like OP states. I drive bus home fine about 2 miles but next day I take it for a spin and get no farther than 1 mile before shifter stuck in 3rd gear. I don't force anything and return home in 3rd. Inspection finds round end of pin in cup comes out again, see pics below. Do I need to remove shift rod and repair so that this pin does not move at all like OP was asking or is something else messed up. All other plastic bushings etc recently replaced.
Thanks in advance for any help as I cannot even get the bus out of garage at this point.
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The ball should not be popping out of the socket.
show pics of the part the shift stick is bolted to, that has the loop around the shift rod under the bus.
don't worry about the the pin. You can just fit it back in the socket.
yes there is a small spring in there. Pin is supposed to be peened so it doesn't back out, but if the shifter is staying where it is supposed to it is not a problem.
worry about why the ball is popping out of the socket. |
I had the same issue happen to me this weekend. I was cruising and all of a sudden I got stuck in 3rd gear. With some force I was able to get out of 3rd. Apparently this was not the best idea as it caused the ball to pop out of the socket like the pictures above, and now my shifter can spin in circles. I am hoping to pop it back in some night this week (although this seems like a real pain in the neck to get in with the spring loaded pin). Hopefully once this is in it will solve the issue. I also need to take a look and see if the shift rod bushing is broken. Perhaps this is why it was stuck in 3rd to begin with, and me forcing it out basically popped the ball out of the socket?
Any updates from BrokenBus? |
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BeanWagon
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| I got the ball back into the socket. Was shifting fine until I got into third gear, and once again it got stuck. With a little force I was able to get it out of third gear, however, this caused the ball to pop out again. Anybody have any ideas? Summer is ending soon! |
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Speed bump.
Anybody have any ideas? Please help! |
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