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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 7:56 pm    Post subject: Power Door Locks Reply with quote

I bought the stock setup for power locking on the Vanagon, but have no instructions on how to install.

For the RH (passenger door) the bracket is 251 862 174 bracket, right.


I cannot find any pics or diagrams of how to mount the bracket tho.

Anybody know of anything?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2011 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The door has holes punched in them that are for the power lock actuator bracket. The holes line up with the bracket and they are pop riveted together. The rivets are 4mm x 14mm.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:10 am    Post subject: Re: Power Door Locks Reply with quote

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I bought the stock setup for power locking on the Vanagon, but have no instructions on how to install.

For the RH (passenger door) the bracket is 251 862 174 bracket, right.


I cannot find any pics or diagrams of how to mount the bracket tho.

Anybody know of anything?

Do you need the brackets?
SleepyJoe over in the classifieds has the brackets for sale if you need them. I just installed the A2 aftermarket kit for all three doors, including keyless entry, and these front door brackets made that part of the job a breeze. Running the wires was another story mentioned in a previous thread. This project was time consuming but very worth it IMO.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: Power Door Locks Reply with quote

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randywebb wrote:
I bought the stock setup for power locking on the Vanagon, but have no instructions on how to install.

For the RH (passenger door) the bracket is 251 862 174 bracket, right.


I cannot find any pics or diagrams of how to mount the bracket tho.

Anybody know of anything?

Do you need the brackets?
SleepyJoe over in the classifieds has the brackets for sale if you need them. I just installed the A2 aftermarket kit for all three doors, including keyless entry, and these front door brackets made that part of the job a breeze. Running the wires was another story mentioned in a previous thread. This project was time consuming but very worth it IMO.


That would be my recommendation. Skip the rest of the stock setup except the slider door contacts and wiring to the rear of the van (if you can get it), and just use the brackets. I wouldn't bother with the stock front door wiring, as it's much easier to slide in the sheathed aftermarket wiring harness there.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there's extra cost to do that

right now, the stock brackets have motors or actuators on them that say Audiovox or something similar

is that stock? or aftermarket?

how well are they known to work?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I bought the stock setup for power locking on the Vanagon

That obviously isn't stock if it doesn't have a VW logo and/or part number on it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The seller in the Smaba ads represented it as the stock setup.

The metal brackets have VW p/n's on them, are the plastic parts (actuators) on the brackets supposed to have a p/n stamped on them too?

In other news, my van does have the holes for the pop rivets. I'm not sure if the cross pull rod for the inside latch will clear them tho. Also, I'm wondering how the vertical pull rod for the lock button and the rear latching mech. get tied together in the new hookup. I stuck a lit mirror i there and looked around -- looks hard to mess with.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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are the plastic parts (actuators) on the brackets supposed to have a p/n stamped on them too?

yes. They are black and somewhat diamond shaped. Mine are from a eurovan that is why they are green and have a little bit different shape.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

here is my passenger side one

look stock?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 11:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope. The stock units look like this
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:52 am    Post subject: Re: Power Door Locks Reply with quote

singler3360 wrote:
I just installed the A2 aftermarket kit for all three doors, including keyless entry, and these front door brackets made that part of the job a breeze. IMO.


Do you have a link for your kit?...I installed an old set of locks in my van and am fairly unimpressed with the function.
I was looking for a new set of locks , and "keyless" would be nice Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Power Door Locks Reply with quote

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singler3360 wrote:
I just installed the A2 aftermarket kit for all three doors, including keyless entry, and these front door brackets made that part of the job a breeze. IMO.


Do you have a link for your kit?...I installed an old set of locks in my van and am fairly unimpressed with the function.
I was looking for a new set of locks , and "keyless" would be nice Very Happy
Thanks


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

should I try to test the Audiovox units?

or just bite off $130 for the MES units?

if a simple test like hooking up + and gnd and then figuring out the other 2 wires shows that the actuator goes up and down, am I pretty well safe?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's the link to a thread with pics of the A2 MES install
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=317539&start=20.

If you already starting with wires running to the rear and the slider door contact plates, then you are way ahead of where I started. Someone has already posted a howto on integrating stock wiring with the kit link Zeigeist posted.

Randy, I don't have experience with the stock wiring to know how different it would be to troubleshoot your actuators. But, installing the A2 units into the front doors with the stock brackets was straight forward with their wiring harness. For what it's worth to your situation.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2011 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thx - might be worth the $140 to just get it over with and done...

I was talking to a fellow Samba-ite a couple of weeks ago about powerizing the slider and rear hatch. It seems like a lot of effort to run wires all the way back there.

And, for the slider, you could just open the pass. door then reach in and unlock the slider from there.

I'm not using the van as a daily driver anymore, just as a camper or to haul doors for the house in, etc., so remote locking is less critical than before.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

does anybody know how the stock wires work?

there is a power wire and a gnd wire...

then there are two others... what do they do and what color wire does what?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

senior Bentley knows.
The stock system is a slave/master setup, the aftermarket actuators that you have are slaves only. You can't get them to work like stock AFAIK.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cannot find much info in the door section of the Bentley

is there some power accessories part of the manual?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:
is there some power accessories part of the manual?


See 97.163 etc. for your central locking system electrical diagram
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, they have their own sub section in Ye olde green bible.
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