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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2001 Posts: 708 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:40 pm Post subject: :: AZ67CalBugs 1965 VW Bug Build :: |
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I just got this 65 bug last night. Excited to get working on it. Worked on it today and got a good look at the thing. It's in really great shape. I can't wait to start body work, hardly any.. and paint it.
Here is the last paint job I did..
SO I hope to out do that one on this car. I'd like to paint the car a metallic blue and do tan interior. We will see. I bet I change my mind 200 times before I actually paint it.
I am getting new BRM center caps for the front. So they are flush like the rear. I have a question..
Since the front tires are 135s.. is that normal for the lip to look like that? Or is that cause the wheel is to wide. I am not sure what size the front wheel is.. but I am not sure if that lip sticking out like that is normal or not..
Let me know what you guys think!
I should have the body work done in the next week or so! _________________ My Current Project is at:
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zozo Samba Member

Joined: October 15, 2005 Posts: 5217 Location: South of Ol' San Antonio
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Nice car, and nice work. Looks like it's going to be a real gem.
That tire looks scarry to me. It almost looks like someone put a 14" tire on a 15" rim. I'd make damn sure things were okay before I ran 'em, and I wouldn't be anywhere close to it if someone tries to add air pressure to get the bead to seat.
(I know it can be done, and I know the guy that almost died from it. Exploding tires can do terrible, terrible things to a human.) |
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allmotor66 Samba Member
Joined: November 11, 2007 Posts: 14 Location: southern california
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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i have a set of 135s on brms and that is the same way mine are drive it for hours at a time never a problem |
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zozo Samba Member

Joined: October 15, 2005 Posts: 5217 Location: South of Ol' San Antonio
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Posted: Wed Sep 21, 2011 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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allmotor66 wrote: |
i have a set of 135s on brms and that is the same way mine are drive it for hours at a time never a problem |
Interesting, and good to hear.
Is it uniformly spaced like that all around the circumference? How about on the inside of the rim? |
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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2001 Posts: 708 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:07 am Post subject: |
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zozo wrote: |
allmotor66 wrote: |
i have a set of 135s on brms and that is the same way mine are drive it for hours at a time never a problem |
Interesting, and good to hear.
Is it uniformly spaced like that all around the circumference? How about on the inside of the rim? |
Visually it looks fine. The bead is even and looks like it set good. Tire size is correct. I never really paid much attention to this before so I am not sure if it was normal.
The guy I purchased it from said it was normal for 135s.
I can't wait to get those front center caps! I mean have to use these big bus ones as shot glasses! _________________ My Current Project is at:
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bill may Samba Member

Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2001 Posts: 708 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 7:36 am Post subject: |
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bill may wrote: |
this is why i use 145x15's. nice project. |
Hey Bill!
Thanks for the info. I saw someone was running like 165/45/15s or something like that.. thought about doing that..
Will 145s take care of that?! IF so I will purchase a new set of tires for sure! _________________ My Current Project is at:
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bill may Samba Member

Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 8:55 am Post subject: |
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az67calbug wrote: |
bill may wrote: |
this is why i use 145x15's. nice project. |
Hey Bill!
Thanks for the info. I saw someone was running like 165/45/15s or something like that.. thought about doing that..
Will 145s take care of that?! IF so I will purchase a new set of tires for sure! |
the 165/45/15 would put even more rubber on pavement. may be even better than 145's. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
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Dauz Samba Member

Joined: January 05, 2010 Posts: 1858
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 10:53 am Post subject: |
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My 135s on a 5" BRM have been inflated to POP out against the lip. Not sure what it takes, but that installation doesn't look right. |
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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2001 Posts: 708 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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It has a narrowed 5.5 inch beam. I think I would like a little more rubber on the front for traction purposes.
I wonder if it is as simple as putting more pressure in there to have them POP to the outter bead ring?
Wonder who I could call here in Phoneix, maybe CE and see what they think. _________________ My Current Project is at:
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61SNRF Samba Member

Joined: March 29, 2009 Posts: 4656 Location: Whittier 90602
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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They look like the EMPI reproduction wheels. My friend has those on his '67, and they look just like your pictures. It's just a characteristic of the wheels.
If it bother's you, trade up for the Flat Four Repop's, they look much better.
145's may give a little better/safer ride, but they are not going to pop out any more than the 135's. _________________ -Bruce
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. |
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bill may Samba Member

Joined: August 27, 2003 Posts: 14160 Location: san diego,ca
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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61SNRF wrote: |
They look like the EMPI reproduction wheels. My friend has those on his '67, and they look just like your pictures. It's just a characteristic of the wheels.
If it bother's you, trade up for the Flat Four Repop's, they look much better.
145's may give a little better/safer ride, but they are not going to pop out any more than the 135's. |
my 15 x 5's are BRM Flat 4's i bought in 1997. _________________ Admin note: Bill Passed away - July, 2017
1965 panel bus-Kermit
"Camping is cheaper than therapy"
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61SNRF Samba Member

Joined: March 29, 2009 Posts: 4656 Location: Whittier 90602
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Posted: Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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bill may wrote: |
my 15 x 5's are BRM Flat 4's i bought in 1997. |
The new ones Flat Four currently make look much more like the original magnesium BRMs than the first ones they made. They even have casting marks like originals. _________________ -Bruce
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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2001 Posts: 708 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:42 am Post subject: |
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OK! Here is a stupid question.
I went to address the alignment issues with the car lastnight. The steering wheel straight would have the right front tire straight but the left (driver) wheel would be almost at 11 O'clock. I figured not a problem, just need to extended the tie rod out on the driver side to get the wheel to even out. I found that since the 5.5 inch narrowed beam the tie rod was 'too short'. I do have an extra tie rod that will seem to work. I am going to put that in today. The other side seems to be cut and welded right. It has a bead around the entire cut and each side has a hole drilled with a weld in it. I would assume some type of support between the two.
Since I have a 5.5 inch narrowed beam, something I've never delt with before.. I noticed there are no upper shock mounts.
My question is.. with a 5.5 narrowed beam - is that something the PO just didn't get around to doing? Or since it's so narrow.. is that how it's suppose to be?!!?! I've been reading up on the narrowed beams and still confused. I see some with, some without and some mounted to the body..
Any insight guys?
Been reading and reading..
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=479231&highlight=narrowed+beam _________________ My Current Project is at:
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microbus Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2007 Posts: 527 Location: Alberta, Canada
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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

Joined: December 08, 2001 Posts: 708 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:06 pm Post subject: |
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Well tore apart the front end due to an alignment issues. Was the tie rods. I'm going to sell this 5.5 narrow beam and ditch it for a 2" narrow beam with drop spindles so I can run shocks.
Started doing some body work!
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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:47 am Post subject: |
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Did some more work on the bug. Going to sell the 5.5 narrowed beam and get a 2" adjustable one. I hope to have it primed this evening!
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AZ65CalBug Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:10 am Post subject: |
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I was able to get the body work to about 90%. I figured once it's primed and I can block sand it I could address the little things.. figured more may pop up in the final block sanding process anyways. But here are some updated photos..
And yes.. I did wear a mask.. here I was just adjusting the gun. :0)
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scottvw Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2004 Posts: 2824 Location: Centennial, CO
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:57 am Post subject: |
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I'm going to sell this 5.5 narrow beam and ditch it for a 2" narrow beam with drop spindles so I can run shocks. |
I would suggest you get a 4" beam with shock towers. The 2" beam in conjunction with the BRM's and spindles will push the wheel out farther and you could potentially run into some fender rubbing issues. There are a number of 4" beams with shock towers out there. |
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Nubby Samba Member
Joined: August 28, 2010 Posts: 605 Location: Down by the river
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Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:17 am Post subject: |
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I totally agree! I have a 4" beam and I love it! Not trying to start a war here but I would recommend taking a look at some of the pics out there for the stance you want. Originally I was going to purchase a CB 2" narrowed beam. Then thought I wanted a 3". I called KCW and spoke with Kevin and Franz down there. They recommended a 4" beam with shocks. Couldn't be happier. Just my .02. |
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