Install evaporation and charcoal canisters on a 1964 Bug?

vamram

Hello Everyone,

I've searched the forums and found lots of info about the M26 emissions system on the '69+ Bugs. Has anybody ever modified their pre-67 gas tank for this?

I have a '64 w/a 1600dp engine and the complete German engine tin, including the shroud w/the pipe for the hose to the charcoal canister. I would like to modify my tank for the evaporation canister.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!!

R.C.N. Bugs · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 8:57 pm Post subject:

NOTAHONDA · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject:

pdivizzle0112 · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:14 pm Post subject:

is there a reason you'd want to do this besides the fuel smell?

xeno · Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2012 10:58 pm Post subject:

X3

I would block off the pipe/hose.

I thought that 100% would either leave emission in or remove it.

Now I have to say 99.9%; because I heard of a guy on samba wanting to add emission to a none emission vehicle.

Thanks
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VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:48 am Post subject:

x4... why..

My only guess is to try and capture any lost fuel vapor from the tank.... to burn, and conserve a few vapors for later use?
It's surely not for saving the environment, or you'd park that ole polluting VW.

So whats your reasoning for the wanted upgrade/downgrade.
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KTPhil · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:48 am Post subject:

There is no reason it can't be done, but the subtleties of pipe size, charcoal capacity, etc, make engineeing a retrofit system an iffy proposition. "Iffy" and "flammable gases" is not a combo I'd like to experiment with.

I would just plug the shroud pipe with a rubber stopper or cap. That's what I did on my 40 HP motor when I put a later doghouse shroud on it.

60ragtop · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:04 am Post subject:

Should be easy if you really want to do it. All the canister does is capture the vapors.
put a small hose on the current vent in the filler neck and route it to the back near where you choose to mount the canister, right rear wheel well?, so you can run the large hoses to and from the engine. You might need to modify your air cleaner, depending on which one you are using.
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vamram · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 8:35 am Post subject: Canister

Well, you're all right of course. Volkswagnut - I probably should park it given how inefficient this little motor is no matter what you do to it. And i do want to capture those vapors, not for fuel efficiency but to try and reduce my little polluter's impact on the environment, minor though that reduction will be. And I do want to try and reduce the presesnce of those nasty carcigonenic fumes in the passenger compartment everytime i fill up the tank.

And, well, it gives me something to do to my Bug!

60ragtop - i would do as you describe, mount it at the rear wheel well and run the fat hoses to my Mexican air filter, which has the connection for the hose to the canister. What about the evaporator that these systems had in the front? I was thinking of adding one of those as well, but the later bugs had two hoses going from the canister to the gas tank. No place for those on this tank.

Thanks for all of the input pro & con!

KTPhil · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Canister

VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:17 am Post subject: Re: Canister

vamram · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:26 am Post subject:

Would it hurt? Help at all? How about what 60ragtop suggested, just running the line back to the charcoal canister and making the connections to the air filter?

VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 9:32 am Post subject:

vamram · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:44 am Post subject:

Well, i guess that takes care of that idea. Thanks for the detailed explanations too. Smile

Time to get the heat working right instead! Idea

Thanks all.

VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:54 am Post subject:

Heat...

You may want to pick one of these up...... Laughing

It will help for your other concerns as well... Wink

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vamram · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 11:56 am Post subject:

Awesome - but it might bring me unwanted attention driving around Washington DC!!!

VOLKSWAGNUT · Posted: Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:05 pm Post subject:


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