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DubStyle SBS Hit Squad
Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 6250 Location: SBS headquarters: Missery
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:01 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the how to on the top! Are any of your headliner Pros? _________________ Anthony
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mstephens28 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: Bakersfield, CA
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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:44 pm Post subject: |
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I had no idea what to do with the straps in the front, so for now they're just hanging there...so are they supposed to be riveted to the header bow plate, or...otherwise "captured" somehow??
For the rear straps, I punched a hole through both the stitched-in pocket and the strap, then ran the end tension strip screw through it. Since that end is now anchored down with the screw, I figured I'd just cut off the excess, but for now it's just hanging there.
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mstephens28 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: Bakersfield, CA
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Posted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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This photo shows how they captured the strips. DON'T FOLLOW THIS! They ran the strips over the top of the bow and caught them on the underside with the rivets. This made the strips visible on the top of the bow. I ran my strips on the underside of the bow and caught the rivets. WARNING. This may be the cause of my ripples on each side, at the front of my sunroof.
Hopefully this is helpful to someone. I still plan on getting the rest of my photos up at some point. |
I'm assuming you riveted the strips using the 2 rivets (on each side) on the furthest outward sides of the bow? |
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Bad Hippie Samba Member
Joined: March 11, 2013 Posts: 171
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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Yes.
Though like I said I kept the strips on the underside of the bow, instead of wrapping them over the top, as in the photo. The subsequent build up of material required me to utilize longer rivets for these holes on each side. Fortunately I had for seen this, and had them on hand. Though I did end up cutting away a little material from the underside of the fold (if that makes sense) to reduce the build up. Just like they did in that photo.
Riveting those strips in the manner I did causes them to be pulled inboard from their natural resting position. This is the reason I suspect the resulting tension may be the cause of my ripple problem.
If you look at the photo of my almost finished top (installing the side screws really had no effect on the issue) you can see that the ripples are between the header bow and the first trailing bow. Sort of in the area where the strips emerge from their tunnel in the cover. If I can find definitive proof that the strips are the cause of the issue I may cut them off behind the header bow to try and relieve the tension in the area. Though I don't know what I would do with the ends then. I guess when you have a headliner it would be less of an issue as the ends would simply be hidden.
How does your top look in this area, having not captured the strips in the front? |
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mstephens28 Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2013 Posts: 49 Location: Bakersfield, CA
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Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 8:37 pm Post subject: |
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These first 2 photos are of the passenger side. There doesn't appear to be the same long wrinkle...only a small one right where the strap exits the webbing and folds inward toward where I have it hanging.
The driver's side, below, has a wrinkle similar to yours, although possibly less pronounced. Interestingly, I pulled on the strap on this side at one point. It had the opposite of the desired effect, causing the pocket near where I pulled the strap to bunch up with several small crinkles. Not sure if that may have caused the long wrinkle similar to yours. Either way I'm not sure I'll try yanking on it again.
Below you can see how the cover's front seam rides up on the header plate, causing the seam to stick up vertically when the sunroof is closed...again not sure if attaching the straps to the header would effect that at all.
All in all I'm pleased with the way my sunroof looks, fits, and functions. Although like just about everything else I've done on this bus, it's far from perfect. For now I'm leaning toward leaving the straps unattached. Of course any guidance to the contrary is always welcomed! |
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Eskimotom Samba Member
Joined: May 18, 2007 Posts: 40 Location: Lake Wobegon MN
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Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:30 am Post subject: |
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Just a shout out of thanks and gratitude for those folks contributing photos tips and tricks to this thread, keep up the great work!
Perhaps today I'll pull my bits off the shelf, take some photos, do an inventory and see where I stand relative to where I need to go when I get to that point. Eskimo Tom |
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DubStyle SBS Hit Squad
Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 6250 Location: SBS headquarters: Missery
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 6:36 am Post subject: |
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Does the headliner need to be completely installed to install the sunroof? Can I affix the piece that attaches to the sunroof and install? _________________ Anthony
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9791 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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mstephens28 wrote: |
Below you can see how the cover's front seam rides up on the header plate, causing the seam to stick up vertically when the sunroof is closed...again not sure if attaching the straps to the header would effect that at all.
All in all I'm pleased with the way my sunroof looks, fits, and functions. Although like just about everything else I've done on this bus, it's far from perfect. For now I'm leaning toward leaving the straps unattached. Of course any guidance to the contrary is always welcomed! |
Unfortunately, that leading seam which sticks up shouldn't be there. Original sunroof tops I've inspected didn't have it. TMI, or WW, or whoever makes and sells these tops should fix their error. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
BBX BBXII and BBXXI Long Distance Award Winner
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i wish more people would actually drive their vws rather than just talking about what they have in the garage. |
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If you've seen one sunroof swivel seat kombi, you've seen them all! |
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campingbox Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10200 Location: Petaluma, CA
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 6:47 am Post subject: |
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DubStyle wrote: |
Does the headliner need to be completely installed to install the sunroof? Can I affix the piece that attaches to the sunroof and install? |
Yes, you can completely install the sunroof cover before doing a headliner. It'll need to come back off, but it's only 8 screws. |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14289 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 9:08 am Post subject: |
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j.pickens wrote: |
TMI, or WW, or whoever makes and sells these tops should fix their error. |
In my opinion it's caused by the material below the seam not being pulled back far enough. A smidge of relax at the rear bar in the crown would also help. |
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j.pickens Samba Member
Joined: December 03, 2002 Posts: 9791 Location: Exit 7, New Jersey
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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BarryL wrote: |
j.pickens wrote: |
TMI, or WW, or whoever makes and sells these tops should fix their error. |
In my opinion it's caused by the material below the seam not being pulled bajck far enough. A smidge of relax at the rear bar in the crown would also help. |
No, it's caused by this non-original and unnecessary seam. It serves no purpose, and causes problems when it rolls either up or down from the leading edge of the sunroof bow. I had two deluxes with this inaccurate canvas. My sunroof kombi has a custom sewn top from Mark Lapriore, and it looks great. _________________ Founder and Chairman Emeritus, ECMSAS
BBX BBXII and BBXXI Long Distance Award Winner
BeaterBarndoor wrote: |
i wish more people would actually drive their vws rather than just talking about what they have in the garage. |
Red Fau Veh wrote: |
If you've seen one sunroof swivel seat kombi, you've seen them all! |
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DubStyle SBS Hit Squad
Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 6250 Location: SBS headquarters: Missery
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Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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Are there any tutorials on adjusting the header bow to get it to sit more flush? _________________ Anthony
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NUTSFORBUSES Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2016 Posts: 561 Location: I don't recognize it anymore
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 7:45 am Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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This old thread:
WHERE would I find a Proper Canvas top?
I see several parts houses carry them, but which one carries the best?
Sewfine? Grumpy's? Wolfsburg? etc............... |
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Krustybus Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2004 Posts: 442 Location: SE Michigan
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 8:05 am Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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I got a white canvas cover from Grumpys about a year ago. Very good quality. I did another a few years back with a white vinyl TMI cover. It fit very well and came out nice. Overall, I like the canvas cover better. _________________ Tim |
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Split 66' Samba Member
Joined: October 07, 2010 Posts: 1259 Location: Bay Area, California
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Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
This old thread:
WHERE would I find a Proper Canvas top?
I see several parts houses carry them, but which one carries the best?
Sewfine? Grumpy's? Wolfsburg? etc............... |
I re-skinned my top in '96, used West Coast Metric's. It's held together really well up until today, despite my poor installation.
http://www.westcoastmetric.com/ _________________ "OG = Original German" -- TheSamba.com dictionary |
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ozinbc Samba Member
Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 201
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2019 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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I am preparing to fit the sunroof cover to the front header, my question is about the front rubber seal. Does it go right to the edge of the header? The material is double thickness as you fold it at the edge/ side.
John Albas video suggests it runs to the length of the front edge and the sides.
What have others done? _________________ the invisible and the non existent look very much alike |
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Peter - Belgium Samba Member
Joined: December 22, 2003 Posts: 762 Location: Brussels - Belgium
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Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:31 am Post subject: headerbow |
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Nice write up, very usefull:-)
I would need to install one the coming days... but instead of using these rivets -
which I can imagine are hard to fix properly - did anyone use small countersink bolts and nuts?
Or would these stick out to much from the underside preventing a proper closing of the headerbow (it seems like the edge of the top part is pretty much inline with these holes?
Thanks! _________________ 356 Outlaw built: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=430774&highlight= |
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NUTSFORBUSES Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2016 Posts: 561 Location: I don't recognize it anymore
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:05 am Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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ADVICE :
I've reading all these threads on the ragtop roof and currently doing mine.
I m at the Tension strip phase and notice from previous images, the tension straps are very "tight" when open position compared to my results. Will this affect anything once complete? or do I need to adjust? I cannot see getting these straps tighter when closed.
My straps are from Grumpy's and are extremely "non-elastic" and are very taught when totally closed. Thanks for the opinions.
The canvas straps are also causing grief as to use both front and back or just back? I had found a piece (broken) of the sunroof strap behind the rear rails riveted but nothing in the front. |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14289 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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NUTSFORBUSES wrote: |
ADVICE :
I've reading all these threads on the ragtop roof and currently doing mine.
I m at the Tension strip phase and notice from previous images, the tension straps are very "tight" when open position compared to my results. Will this affect anything once complete? or do I need to adjust? I cannot see getting these straps tighter when closed. |
My opinion is they will be fine. When it's all done there will be more weight on the open-loft-loops.
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The canvas straps are also causing grief as to use both front and back or just back? |
Can you elaborate a little more? It is hard to picture what you are describing. |
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NUTSFORBUSES Samba Member
Joined: December 08, 2016 Posts: 561 Location: I don't recognize it anymore
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:03 pm Post subject: Re: Sunroof installation |
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Thank You !
The "straps" are referring to the ends of the Canvas sunroof, coming out of the edge seams. They run inside the sewn edges, but sewn into four corners. Ref:Image from previous.
Mine were not even connected b/c of PO and broken.
Thank You ! ! |
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