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36hplandspeedracer Samba Member

Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 847 Location: Ivins, Utah
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:09 pm Post subject: New Big Block ACVW Bonneville Classes |
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VW Land Speed Racers
Great news for folks with Volkswagen air cooled powered racers has just been announced by the SCTA/BNI ( go to http://www.scta-bni.org ). Their "Classic" category of race cars that was previously open only to American cars built between 1948 and 1981 has been opened to include "Foreign Cars", and that means our Volkswagen's. The benefit for VW racers that comes from this change is our 1930's designed air cooled engines will no longer have to compete head to head for official land speed records set by radical watercooled Asian and European dual over head cam modern technology engines, most records of which are in the 200 mph plus range!
NOTE: This "DOES NOT" affect the 36hp Challenge and 130 Mile Per Hour Club record keeping that I maintain!
The tough part, only race VW's built to the demanding SCTA/BNI Rulebook can compete for these records which means much greater expense and serious effort is required to move to this level of competition. Any racer who is racing or building a VW they expect to exceed 135 miles per hour should seriously consider following the SCTA/BNI Rulebook safety requirements for two reasons. First and foremost, is safety! Speeds in this range involve much more serious consequences should something go wrong and Bugs "without wings" are extremely unsafe at these speeds (Ghias are much more stable and therefore better! And have better "aero"!). Second, building to the SCTA/BNI specs will allow you to race on the long three mile tracks at both the USFRA World of Speed at Bonneville and SCTA/BNI Bonneville Speedweek giving you greater opportunities for higher speeds and now with this change, potentially, SCTA/BNI land speed records.
I cannot speak for the USFRA or SCTA/BNI sanctioning bodies regarding safety and rules and the below interpretations are a simple overview of how I understand the rules as written. Therefore, I would strongly encourage you to obtain a 2012 Rulebook as soon as possible if your VW racing aspirations are in the 135 mile per hour plus range for now or the near future. This will insure you have information directly from the horses mouth before starting construction or improvements to your Volkswagen land speed race car. Questions can be answered by Mike Manghelli, the SCTA's resident VW racer and also SCTA Rules Co-ordinator directly at
[email protected] .
General Classic guidelines:
ALTered: Stock body and fenders (chopped O.K. if pre 1948)( Fiberglass replacements, i.e., one piece front ends O.K. if "stock" proportions and shapes remain). Removal of bumpers and front lights and covering of grill(s) and front openings "is required"! O.K. for front air dam, engine hood scoop and rear wing ( like a Herrods Helper or drag style ) mounted in the trunk area. Engine "MUST" be swapped for a non-original engine such as a Type 2/4 engine in place of a 1600cc VW type engine or a 1600cc VW in place of a 36hp engine.Supercharged or turbocharged is O.K. as a B blown( G gas or F fuel )ALT entrant. Air cooled VW's must add a rear engine support under the case. No belly pans or other streamlining!
GC-Gas Coupe(or Sedan): Stock body and fenders (no chopping). Stock bumpers required. OK for front air dam and engine air scoops. Rear wing if production (Herrods Helpers are probably NOT legal!). Any engine. Supercharged or turbocharged is O.K. as a B blown GC entrant. Only minor body trim alterations permitted. No one piece front ends.
PROduction: Stock body. Stock bumpers required. No scoops or wings/spoilers (no Herrods Helper!). Engine original to "that body style". No supercharging or turbocharging however bigger and multiple carbs ( if they fit onto original intake manifold bolt pattern! ) and most other engine modifications are legal!
Engines: No electrical fuel injection. No sensor management system's with loop. No dual distributors or magnetos.
Letter definitions for classes as shown below:
F......engine size below 3000 cc's (1st F letter)
C.....Classic category(1948 to 1981 vehicle)
B.....Supercharged or turbocharged(Blown)
G.....Gasoline as fuel
F......All non gasoline fuels (2nd F letter)
Class Current Bonneville Record as of December 8th, 2011
F/CBFALT 129.641..........Hudson Boys Chevy 4/53 Stude 08/11
F/CFALT 165.224.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11
F/CBGALT 123.782.........Hudson Boys Chevy 4/53 Stude 08/11
F/CGALT 182.357.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11
F/CBGC 173.090.........Keosababian Chevy Corvair 08/74
F/CGC 174.922.........Cohn Chevy Monza 08/11
F/CPRO None-Open
data taken from current posted SCTA/BNI speed records as of 11/20/11.
Bob Stahls 65 Bug with a 2914cc fuel injected (not Turbo'ed!)Type 4 engine.
If a Bonneville class is "Open" with no existing record, like the F/CPRO class, you can enter that class with a car that meets the engine displacement requirements (0.0L to 3.0L) and body, technical and fuel requirements and "establish" the base record for that class until someone goes faster than you.
All SCTA/BNI land speed records are set using the "average" of two runs. First, you must qualify by going faster than the record at which time you car is placed in "Impound" overnite until the next days early morning record runs. You make your second pass early in the morning and the speed from this run is averaged with the speed from your earlier "qualifying" pass. If the combined two pass average speed is above the existing record, you have set a new SCTA/BNI land speed record.
Each SCTA/BNI qualifying run at Bonneville in the classes Volkswagen air cooled racers qualify for are made on a three mile track instead of the one mile track we run in the 130 Mile Per Hour Club events at USFRA's World of Speed so your engine must maintain this high speed for a substantially longer period of time(build accordingly). VW's can run either at the USFRA World of Speed in September on the longer competition track west of the 130 track and set SCTA/BNI recognized records or they can attend the August SCTA/BNI Speedweek and race for records on one of two 3 mile competition tracks set up for cars running up to 175 miles per hour. Two way average records set on either three mile track become SCTA/BNI certified records. All cars racing on these three mile tracks must meet SCTA/BNI safety and class guidelines as set forth in the SCTA/BNI Rulebook. Details and rulebooks are available at http://www.scta-bni.org . Order the "2012 Rulebook" to receive details on the new Classic classes allowing "foreign cars" into this 1948-1981 category.
In addition. if you are building, or contemplating building, an SCTA/BNI certified racer to go after this type of land speed record, contact the SCTA through their web-site and you can be assigned a personal individual SCTA member who will guide you over the phone to meet and exceed the safety definitions in the Rulebook. These SCTA member "guides" are invaluable in reducing problems during your tech and safety inspection when you first arrive. Upon passing your initial tech inspection, your car will be issued a SCTA/BNI Inspection record book that documents the history of your inspections for future guidance. If you have any questions, you can contact, Mike Manghelli, the SCTA's resident VW racer and also SCTA Rules Co-ordinator directly at [email protected] .
Racing a 1200 to 1500cc ( 1.5L ) or 1600 to 2000cc ( 2.0L ) Volkswagen? At present, the new Classic classes do not have records available in those engine sizes so you have to compete with engines up to 3000cc ( 3.0L ) in the F class . Classes G (1.51L to 2.0L ) and H (1.1L to 1.5L ) will only be added after 2012 "if" cars show up to race in those engine size categories. The SCTA/BNI needs to see interest before any smaller engine categories will be included in future events.
This is super news for VW folks serious about going the extra miles(s) in land speed racing for the long term.
May the Speed be with you..........................
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slalombuggy Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9332 Location: Canada
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 5:56 pm Post subject: |
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drscope Samba Member

Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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Brad, how does this affect your oval build? _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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blue77bay Samba Member
Joined: February 11, 2006 Posts: 631 Location: Brisvegas Australia
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Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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anybody got a spare KG we can screw a hot raby T4 into ,big gears and look out corvair ,god if i only lived 10000 miles closer.I took my first pilgrimage to bonneville this year for the world of speed ,i will do it again its an amazing place , so much history. _________________ I like hammers. Lots of hammers. Hammers and me go way back.
A large hammer collection is like an instant problem solver
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slalombuggy Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9332 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:34 am Post subject: |
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drscope wrote: |
Brad, how does this affect your oval build? |
1957, 36hp car with 1600 based engine = F/CGALT
If I want to run with the big dogs I need to beef my cage, retention seat. fire supression system, parchute, really expensive tires ($450 each) I'll be happy to run on the 2.25 mile course eventually in the 150mph class (not that I'll ever see those speeds). NHRA certified cage and safety gear, fire extinguisher, "Z" rated tires....tryin' to keep it fun without a second mortgage.
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drscope Samba Member

Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 8:58 am Post subject: |
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slalombuggy wrote: |
tryin' to keep it fun without a second mortgage.
brad |
And I thought you were a REAL racer! _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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slalombuggy Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9332 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:38 am Post subject: |
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drscope wrote: |
slalombuggy wrote: |
tryin' to keep it fun without a second mortgage.
brad |
And I thought you were a REAL racer! |
No I like to eat real food, sleep in a warm bed, in my home, with my wife!!!! I know enough guys living in shacks, divorced for the 3rd time, eating beans and weiners and nothing but a race car to show for their time on this earth.
Sponsorship would be nice, but I'm realistic in the fact I live in the sticks (in the ACVW world) and the most someone would get would be a picture of my car in a mag sometime......
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60ragtop Bonneville Belt Bitch

Joined: March 13, 2006 Posts: 7801 Location: Big Wonderful WYO 82401
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:41 am Post subject: |
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drscope wrote: |
And I thought you were a REAL racer! |
he is,asphalt/pavement is just a way to get to the Salt  _________________ Rick
Certified Mechanic by the State of Michigan in 1977
ASA certified in 1987
Certified Hunter Wheel Alignment Master Technician 1986
tasb wrote: |
I've restored a large number too, but I don't toot my horn quite as loud.
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maybe he just snapped cause his car sucked  |
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36hplandspeedracer Samba Member

Joined: January 30, 2006 Posts: 847 Location: Ivins, Utah
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:37 am Post subject: |
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60ragtop wrote: |
drscope wrote: |
And I thought you were a REAL racer! |
he is,asphalt/pavement is just a way to get to the Salt :wink: |
You got that right Rick........................
This bumper sticker was created by Nertz Tranaski of Medicine Hat, Alberta, Canada, for the Bonneville Cruise In back in the eighties. I believe it says it all!
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slalombuggy Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9332 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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There is an awful lot of asphalt between home and Bonneville
Ice is for drinks
Dirt is for gardens
Sand is for beaches
Salt is for french fries
Asphalts for racin'
But I'm rethinkin' the 4th one hard.....
brad |
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drscope Samba Member

Joined: February 19, 2007 Posts: 15273 Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:08 am Post subject: |
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Think what you want, but a REAL racer will race ANYTHING, ANYWHERE! _________________ Mother Nature is a Mean Evil Bitch! |
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slalombuggy Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9332 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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drscope wrote: |
Think what you want, but a REAL racer will race ANYTHING, ANYWHERE! |
I've done 'em all except sand, not a lot of that on the great plains and the one desert we do have is protected and you'd be hung on the spot if a tire touched the sand....
brad |
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ziptyd66 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 108 Location: Riverside
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:05 pm Post subject: |
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Raced on all but Ice...Southern California doesn't have to much Ice except what goes in our drinks.
Dirt - El Mirage - Best 1.3 miles ever!!!
Sand - Glamis
Salt - Bonneville
Asphalt-Pomona/Fontana _________________ 63 bug bagged w/1200 sp (0\ l /0) |
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slalombuggy Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9332 Location: Canada
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:56 pm Post subject: |
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You should try it!!!! Nothing like heading into a corner at 140kph with nothing but 36 - 6mm fender bolts per tire holding you to the lake And it's got to be at least -30C when your doin' it.......
brad |
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ziptyd66 Samba Member
Joined: May 26, 2011 Posts: 108 Location: Riverside
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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Oh believe me I would love to do it...the -30C is way out of my comfort zone but it sure looks like a blast. _________________ 63 bug bagged w/1200 sp (0\ l /0) |
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Roadcow Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2003 Posts: 1012 Location: Stockton, Ca. area
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:25 am Post subject: |
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My plans are to attend and run a new Ghia in one of the newly opened classes. I want a 200 mph hat. Maybe not next year but soon after I hope.  _________________ 71 Westy Roadcow
67 Panel
63 Bug
66 Ghia Bonneville 2014
74 Ghia Vert
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69 Bonneville Ghia in Ireland
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The Cheetle Samba Member
Joined: September 01, 2007 Posts: 279 Location: Lake Havasu City, Arizona
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Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:07 am Post subject: |
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The Cheetle is getting a face lift with a 8 point cage, new fuel system, MSD Ignition, new ring and pinion and 4th gear, and the best part we will be bringing several Geoff Hart Performance Motor combos, and possibly a Chuck Studler turbo motor. We are looking at the 140's-150's. Just ordered the rule book to see what else we need to do and have. Should open up for more VW guys to bring their stuff out!!! _________________ Save the Salt!!
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Roadcow Samba Member
Joined: November 14, 2003 Posts: 1012 Location: Stockton, Ca. area
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Havasu 64 ragtop wrote: |
The Cheetle is getting a face list with a 8 point cage, new fuel system, MSD Ignition, new ring and pinion and 4th gear, and the best part we will be bringing several Geoff Hart Performance Motor combos, and possibly a Chuck Studler turbo motor. We are looking at the 140's-150's. Just ordered the rule book to see what else we need to do and have. Shuold open up for more VW guys to bring their stuff out!!! |
This is getting exciting. See you next month Larry.  _________________ 71 Westy Roadcow
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66 Ghia Bonneville 2014
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69 Bonneville Ghia in Ireland
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bajamike560 Samba Member
Joined: December 11, 2009 Posts: 544 Location: Vancouver WA
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:53 pm Post subject: |
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slalombuggy wrote: |
There is an awful lot of asphalt between home and Bonneville
Ice is for drinks
Dirt is for gardens
Sand is for beaches
Salt is for french fries
Asphalts for racin'
But I'm rethinkin' the 4th one hard.....
brad |
What about dezert racing???
Mike _________________ Jackpot motorsports |
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slalombuggy Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 9332 Location: Canada
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Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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Beaches and gardens baby, beaches and gardens
Merry Christmas Mike.
brad |
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