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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:01 am    Post subject: Is a Westfalia a "self contained vehicle" Reply with quote

Looking at camping as Silver Strand State beach, and it states only self contained vehicles allowed. What exactly does that mean? Do I need to catch the water out of my sink? Do I have to have a toilet? Any body camped there in a Westfalia?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

have to have a toilet.
and contain your grey water as well.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So if we carry a toilet, which we have, does that count?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: Re: Is a Westfalia a "self contained vehicle" Reply with quote

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I think self-contained means just what you suspected. You need to haul out your greywater/blackwater. But hey, there's WiFi! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OVERNIGHT CAMPING: SELF-CONTAINED VEHICLES ONLY- One which has the capacity to hold waste water in tanks. Minimum - A built-in sink which has an enclosed drain system and a portable toilet (both must have holding tanks). There are no hook-ups or dump stations. Tent camping is not allowed. Campers and their pets may not sleep outside their vehicle. Check out time is 12 noon.

From the CA state site - I believe different states have different rules, even park specific
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:10 am    Post subject: Re: Is a Westfalia a "self contained vehicle" Reply with quote

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Looking at camping as Silver Strand State beach, and it states only self contained vehicles allowed. What exactly does that mean? Do I need to catch the water out of my sink? Do I have to have a toilet? Any body camped there in a Westfalia?
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Yes. It means NO effleunt discharge. No greywater, etc.

A real port-a-potty.. should suffice, but I'd call the ranger's station to clarify that. The Port-a-potty must have a closed poop/pee "holding tank" to qualify.

I have not camped there in 20 yrs (?).. but I know a thing or two about onboard sanitation systems, from a couple yrs running bare-boat charters.
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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tent camping is not allowed. Campers and their pets may not sleep outside their vehicle. Check out time is 12 noon.

From the CA state site - I believe different states have different rules, even park specific


WTF kind of "campground" is this? Do they have werewolves prowling the grounds or something?
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WTF kind of "campground" is this? Do they have werewolves prowling the grounds or something?

Actually it's more of just a parking lot, but it's right on the beach, the only place I could find in San Diego, where you are right on it, or as close as you can get.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BTDT at that same place. A Westy did NOT meet the requirements for the ranger in question. We were with the boy scouts camping and it was not allowed. We had no catch tank and the porta potty did not count, either. Even a catch tank with a hose on the ground was not good enough. Basically the want "no trace left behind" and zero chance of it not happening. Do not ask why! Everything MUST be on board. Period.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WTF kind of "campground" is this? Do they have werewolves prowling the grounds or something?

Actually it's more of just a parking lot, but it's right on the beach, the only place I could find in San Diego, where you are right on it, or as close as you can get.
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Go up the coast some. You will find better. Encinitas, for example. Still in the San Diego area. Book early......
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or my personal favorite -- South Carlsbad.

Not 'on' the beach per se but right on the bluff with the beach just below you and a view of Japan.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

biffmalibu wrote:
So if we carry a toilet, which we have, does that count?


Yes that counts. Even one of those $10 crap in a bag seats counts as a toilet. You don't necessarily have to use it, just carry it along. Contain your grey water too as previously mentioned. I guess it depends on if your ranger is a hard ass too though.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Insurance companies, DMV and park rangers do not consider a Vanagon Westfalia a "self contained" recreational vehicle.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keep heading south to Baja. Lots of beach camping there Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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WTF kind of "campground" is this? Do they have werewolves prowling the grounds or something?


The kind where they do not want the beach and ocean polluted.

They might close it to camping completely if people violate the rule.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Insurance companies, DMV and park rangers do not consider a Vanagon Westfalia a "self contained" recreational vehicle.



My van is registered and insured as an RV. Costs more for tabs but cheaper for the insurance.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Insurance companies, DMV and park rangers do not consider a Vanagon Westfalia a "self contained" recreational vehicle.


Depends on where you are. I've had rangers in CA and OR say I was ok as long as I had a toilet.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject: Cor - wot weird and oTT bunch of rules Reply with quote

We wild camp a lot in Scotland - AND LEAVE NO TRACE - in a Westy equivalent Vanagon. We have a 20 litre plastic Jerrycan connected to the sink outlet (just like an underslung - except easier to empty).

We also have a pee (and poo in emergencies Shocked ) pot with a close/tight snap fitting lid - this gets emptied at Public Conveniences (I think "Washroom" is the word.....). Not surprisingly - nothing has ever been accidentally "lost" from this in use.

Some people must have NO imagination.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PDXWesty wrote:
insyncro wrote:
Insurance companies, DMV and park rangers do not consider a Vanagon Westfalia a "self contained" recreational vehicle.


Depends on where you are. I've had rangers in CA and OR say I was ok as long as I had a toilet.

Yep.. Call the ranger direct and if they say "yes".. Get his name in case you have a different ranger when you get to the gate.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I learned something new here. I'm one step away (the porta-potty) from qualifying, since I have one of these.

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