Questions about some extras oval - birth certicate

[franklinunes]

Hello friends,

today I received the birth certicate from my Oval Jan 1955, the color is not mencionated.

Now i am able to tell the is a maching car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-p53GTsWEQ

the reason to post this topic is to have information about the extras, the last one M094 I am ok

the other 2 i would like to have more information since I dont know what we are speaking about.

1) M079 the upholstery I know what it is, but which one would be correct? does anyone have pictures? detailed pictures?

2) the M018 I am confused with this...

3) about the color from the car I can believe is Ultra Maroon, tomorrow in the light I will try to find it better and take pictures, by the way which place is better to see the real original color?


Thanks and best regards

[cj1971]

Hola.........ok i can confirm M018 rear lenses are plastic with a large diamond reflector (rather than the snow flake or chevron)usually found on cars in Sweden,possibly in Norway and Denmark.very rare to find!!
Try looking in the glovebox to look for original paint.........as regards the interior probably leatherette in a tan colour?????

[franklinunes]

Update:

Seems the color was black

Any pictures from that reflector? the best would see a picture with them in the car.

And about the leatherette any pictures? how many types was available?


If has it look a black car, would maybe has u said a tan colour? any pictures from that tan colour?


Thanks and best regards.

[AlteWagen]

[franklinunes]

[cj1971]

Are you saying M018 lenses can be a mixture of several different types???egg/chevron and nordic large reflector.........i tried for 18months to buy the correct lenses for my '57!

[franklinunes]

Hello again,

I was reading very carefully the several posts available about this subject.


I got this conclusions:

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Hello All, Just received my 54's birth certificate and have a few questions.T.... m018 "larger reflector in brake/indicator light,"

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"Just for your information... "Portugal market too"

I got a '57 (exported to Portugal - by the birth certificate).. and came with these lenses.. also in the birth certificate says: M 018 - Larger reflector in brake."

I have my birth certificate in hands, it is for a 113 VW De Luxe Sedan, Destination Country: Portugal .. and the Extras has
M 018 Larger reflector in brake / indicator light
M 094 Lockable rear flap handle
M 104 Upholstery leatherette Red

igtoth member 1957
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Mine Jan 55 also has written in Birth Certificate M018 Larger reflector in brake / indicator.

M 018 Larger reflector in brake / indicator light
M 079 Upholstery leatherette instead of material
M 094 Lockable rear flap handle


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"M 018 "Large reflector in brake/indicator light" was used on Swedish- market cars only"

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"I still think there was an early (54? thru 55) extra low snowflake tail light fender."

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(Oct '54 - USA bound) would have had Egg style lights

Egg tailights USA market only

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"Heart Tailight used until May 1955"

In Europe
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My conclusions:

Between March 1954 and July 1957 the M018 code indicating Larger reflector in brake / indicator light was present.

USA

EUROPE

Why a reflector called "larger reflector in brake / indicater light" attached to fender?...doesnt make sence...a M code called "Large reflector in fender" would make sense, like this seems not, has is written it should have wires and volts...so to me this was not a simple reflector attached.

My tip is this reflector has to do with the lense type...reflection light brake and indicater...a bigger light

M018 code to oval 1954 (USA) using egg tailights until Oct 54 I believe since USA was more advance to upgrate the tailights I really believe the Snowflakes were available for USA market by that time, despite could be that upgrade! I still believe sweden type reflector it was also used in USA.

M018 code to oval Jan 1955 (correct heart tailights then) we could think the same before tip (USA 1954)...change hart tailights to a larger reflector...for example snowflake...but this cant be possible since at 1957 there was also M018 code and they had already snowflakes from factory see the birth certificate 1957.

Soooooo here it goes my final conclusion...the large reflector had to be something different in the reflector I believe could be the sweden reflector (large reflecting) I believe in fact was this reflector sweden option. Look pictures.

For example to Madeira Island I believe this could be asked as extra....the roads in 50's where small and bad, actually many curves and many montains...here it goes for example the fog! I believe this was asked because the conditions the Island could offer at the time and besides that more safe for the driver.

To finnish, the housing u see next was in my oval 1955 the 2 red ones...i mean to tell they are not heart talights, of course could be changed in time, but I believe not, I will find it if I match the same colour which is in the car, the original color from factory.

The car from igtoth member imported to Portugal from June 1957 had that lenses sweden type and in birth certificate was also there, so this make me think it was for sure the sweden type.


regards and sorry about the long post.

[franklinunes]

Anyone can explain me this:


M code 079

Upholstery, Stone Beige/Fur Grey
From 1960/61 Canadian color brochure


If u see my birth certicate it says

M 079 Upholstery leatherette instead of material

I have seen other M codes for example the M104 it says clearly "Upholstery leatherette red" Why the M079 code doesnt say exacly what it was?


tips? according with the BC Upholstery leatherette is correct? right?

Could be the M104 and other codes refering to leatherette colour used >56 and <56 refering only M079 (not mentioning colour of the leatherette)?

And this "From 1960/61 Canadian color brochure" is at M079 code and my car is 1955 what has this brochure 60/61 to do with an oval 1955?

Also could be this colour? Can anyone help me to find the correct seat colour leatherette?

Regards. Thanks in advance.

[AlteWagen]

I believe M042 is the correct code for the large diamond tail light lenses.

M079 just means you got letherette instead of cloth which is correct for domestic deliveries.

Being that most BC that have no color mentioned were special order the correct color of your letherette is a mystery as well. To me your color does look like ultramaroon which for export usually came with red or beige interior.

This WW page doesnt list anything in particular

http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/colors/54l276.htm

The samba listing only states the cloth in beige with a 50 reference code

[franklinunes]

[IN2VWS]

I am not convinced that the M018 was for larger reflectors on the earlier cars.
VW re-used the 'M' numbers over the years, using them for different things.
M018 was for larger reflectors on later cars, that is well documented in factory literature. example:
M18 with larger reflectors in the brake/indicator light, up to Chassis No. 117 507 257 - from a 1967 parts manual.
It is only my opinion, but I believe that the factory does not know what M018 was in the 1950's, so they are giving the description for the later M018.

As for M079....This is from a 10/1955 Salesman's catalog:
M79 Beige leatherette upholstery, for all VW standard colour schemes.

If you had red leatherette, you would have option M104 listed instead of M079:
M104 Red leatherette for sedans with Nile Beige and Black finish.
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[franklinunes]

[IN2VWS]

M135.....as I mentioned earlier, they changed over the years.
Here are my listings for M135:
M135 Dark blue leatherette upholstery for Sedans with Strato Silver finish. - 10/1955 Salesman's Manual
M135 With soft beige leatherette for beryl green finish only. - 8/1960 M Option Catalog
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[56Cabrio]

Here is my BC for my vert, M018 and others can not be identified?

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1956 Rag Top owned since 1988
1956 Convertible owned since 2000
1963 Hard Top

RIP Dad 4/20/1951 - 2/4/2023

[IN2VWS]

Does anyone have a birth certificate from the mid to late 1950's that does not have M018 on it?
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[56Cabrio]

[IN2VWS]

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[AlteWagen]

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