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coolsnake88 Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2010 Posts: 63 Location: orange county, ca
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 8:52 pm Post subject: quick turbo question for a stock 1600 |
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i have a chance to get a good turbo from a co-worker.. (from an eclipse)
i was wondering..when it starts building boost it needs more fuel right, would slapping a 600 or 750 holley or whatever be enough without messing too much with the carb? the way i see it, the carb would be big enough to deliver the fuel when needed as long as it was jetted right or is it way more complicated than that?
im thinking draw-thru |
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Ghia Nut Samba Member

Joined: December 23, 2003 Posts: 1566 Location: B'ham Alabama
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Turbos require a bit more than will this turbo work with this Carb. Go to shoptslkforums.com and start reading. You could actually use your stock Carb if you want, its been done. _________________ '59 typ1 rajay turbo
'72 Ghia rajay 1641 dual 36DRLAs, 1 3/8" SS merged header and fat boy
78" GL Vert with ej22t swap
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DarthWeber Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2007 Posts: 7543 Location: Whittier,CA
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Uh, no. There's no quick answer to your question other than the carb needs to be worked a little for it to be most effective in a draw thru application. I suggest you read MO Turbo Manx's thread as he built the same motor you are considering. Read and learn, it's an interesting thread - just ignore the end where Joel Mohr hyjacked the thread.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=271444 _________________
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Ghia Nut Samba Member

Joined: December 23, 2003 Posts: 1566 Location: B'ham Alabama
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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DarthWeber wrote: |
Uh, no. There's no quick answer to your question other than the carb needs to be worked a little for it to be most effective in a draw thru application. I suggest you read MO Turbo Manx's thread as he built the same motor you are considering. Read and learn, it's an interesting thread - just ignore the end where Joel Mohr hyjacked the thread.
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=271444 |
2nded on that one, great thread, till the end _________________ '59 typ1 rajay turbo
'72 Ghia rajay 1641 dual 36DRLAs, 1 3/8" SS merged header and fat boy
78" GL Vert with ej22t swap
This will likely change tomorrow to something else. |
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clonebug Samba Member

Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4130 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:30 pm Post subject: |
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X1000 on the hijack.
He needs to get his own thread......
It would probably depend on where you live.
I am running a blow through on a stock carb so I am more familiar with that.
Draw through has some advantages IF you have a turbo that has the correct seals in that it might be able to be done a little cheaper. I doubt it would be much cheaper if you have to buy the carb and intake.
With the stock carb all you have to do is a little jetting and some orings on the throttle shaft and if you want to use the stock fuel pump (cheaper yet) you need to boost reference it and oring the fuel pump rod.
I learned a lot and am very close now but any turbo project is going to take time to jet correctly.
I doubt there are many "KITS" that are bolt on and go....
I have a build thread if you want to read it. It has all my trials and tribulations as it happened.
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=127936
I like blow through due to the fact I have no problems with intake heat.
The turbo is blowing warm air into the carb at all times and you don't have to heat the intake with the exhaust.
When you have cold weather like my climate it is worth it. My driveabilty is excellent in all weather with no intake icing.
Do a bunch of reading.... it is not a quick study and there is a fair amount of fabrication and experimenting to get it right.
It is fun though. The pull a turbo engine puts out is exciting to say the least and many drivers get an eye opening when they try to get past me in a roundabout.
I am working on a new engine build right now and can't decide whether to stay stock or go to the slip in 88 mm barrels and pistons.
hmmmmm....
Clonebug _________________
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I'm so ignorant of efi I don't even know the difference between batch, sequential blah blah blah .. |
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His user name in a previous life was dick head. |
My Megasquirt Fuel Injection Turbo Buggy Build
Water/Alcohol Injection
Audi TT intercooler
Upgraded to MS3Pro-Evo
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ECUMaster ADU5 Digital Dash
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coolsnake88 Samba Member
Joined: May 12, 2010 Posts: 63 Location: orange county, ca
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:09 am Post subject: |
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i know i have to play around with the timing and jetting.. but im not looking at anything serious yet.. just wanna push a couple lbs of boost to get a little more juice to climb dunes faster..
anyone heard anything about these http://www.lowbugget.com/2_barrel_and_4_barrel_carbs.html |
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yamaducci Samba Member

Joined: March 30, 2010 Posts: 2373 Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2012 5:45 am Post subject: |
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coolsnake88 wrote: |
i know i have to play around with the timing and jetting.. but im not looking at anything serious yet.. just wanna push a couple lbs of boost to get a little more juice to climb dunes faster..
anyone heard anything about these http://www.lowbugget.com/2_barrel_and_4_barrel_carbs.html |
A few points and a few words of advise:
1 Buy The book "Turbo Mania" from CB performance or Amazon.
2 Read this before buying anything! http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=174119&highlight=lowbugget ......He was banned from here for a reason!
3 Holley carbs should only be used for drag racing unless you really work with the preheat issue. and a 600 or 750 is WAY too big for any 1600.
4 I strongly suggest you learn how to build a modified Type 1 engine before ever considering brewing up your own turbo system. It is very complex if you have any expectations of ever driving it. Really you will just be frustrated and your friends will be passing you in whatever ricer they are in.
5 There is plenty of power to be had by building a basic performance build with no turbo.
6 Turbos are not a quick fix; even with free parts.
7 When in doubt; as an un-educated guess when using used parts, Get a turbo from a used car with a similar sized engine. _________________ -John Cox
My 2498 Turbo Re-Build Thread: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5578697#5578697
3rd Brake Light Safety Stars- I still have a couple with blue light left. Email me if interested. |
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clonebug Samba Member

Joined: January 29, 2005 Posts: 4130 Location: NW Washington
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Posted: Sat Feb 04, 2012 11:02 am Post subject: |
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coolsnake88 wrote: |
i just wanna push a couple lbs of boost to get a little more juice to climb dunes faster..
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That's what everyone says...a couple lbs.
Boost is an addiction.......I lasted less than a week at 6 lbs. which is what my stock waste gate is set at.
I built a manual boost controller to override the wastegate in order to work my way up to 13 plus lbs.
There is nothing like the kick of 12 lbs. of boost coming on......
Clonebug _________________
richardcraineum wrote: |
I'm so ignorant of efi I don't even know the difference between batch, sequential blah blah blah .. |
cbeck wrote: |
His user name in a previous life was dick head. |
My Megasquirt Fuel Injection Turbo Buggy Build
Water/Alcohol Injection
Audi TT intercooler
Upgraded to MS3Pro-Evo
EcuMaster PMU16
ECUMaster ADU5 Digital Dash
http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=127936 |
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Ghia Nut Samba Member

Joined: December 23, 2003 Posts: 1566 Location: B'ham Alabama
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Posted: Sun Feb 05, 2012 9:25 am Post subject: |
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Im going to second turbomania. Its a great book as it walks you both through side draft draw through and blow through setups. Its a little dated, and by a little its a got one hell of an 80's vibe, but the way it breaks the general idea and process is whats great. Its actually the book that is the basis for what I know about turbos today such as calculating efficiency to plot on turbo chart etc etc.
Buy the book, then buy the parts. _________________ '59 typ1 rajay turbo
'72 Ghia rajay 1641 dual 36DRLAs, 1 3/8" SS merged header and fat boy
78" GL Vert with ej22t swap
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