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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Pulling a Westy up a Hill Reply with quote

I'd like to take my 2wd, AUTO. TRANS. Westy to a big party at a friend's vineyard this summer.

It'll be dry by then, but the hill is quite steep and the road doesn't present the best surface for traction either.

Another friend has offered a "Jeep Assist" and I have a selection of tow straps, and am sure he does too.

Where should we hook theses straps on a stock 1986 Westy?

Any other problems? Auto Trans. an issue? (we expect to try it with the Van in gear and trying to get up the hill under its own power)
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are all the other attendees showing up in 4wd/awd vehicles? If not I think you'll be fine, but worst case scenario you can let the lowly jeep pull you up the hill while you try your best with the gas pedal in the westy.

EDIT- the tow hook on the front should be fine.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the owners manual or the Bentley.
as long as you don't go for a long distance and over 35 mph you should be ok, I have pulled vans from the front tow loop, on a nasty fire road with no problems
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just avoid hard yanks. If the Jeep will do it, it might be better to just let him pull you, or at least use very little assist from you own engine. The problem will come if there is slack and he takes the slack up suddenly overloading the metal around the hook. A lot will depend on your friends experience and judgement, tempered of course by how much he has already had to drink.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:04 am    Post subject: 2x2 Reply with quote

Blue Bay Bus Just drive it up! A 2x2 van is capable of going where other 2 wheel drives would dare not go! Worst case just let jeep pull it up, with you helping, that will alleviate you with any problems with the drivetrain. Very Happy Your front tow hook is fine to use.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Pulling a Westy up a Hill Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:
I'd like to take my 2wd, AUTO. TRANS. Westy to a big party at a friend's vineyard this summer.

It'll be dry by then, but the hill is quite steep and the road doesn't present the best surface for traction either.

Another friend has offered a "Jeep Assist" and I have a selection of tow straps, and am sure he does too.

Where should we hook theses straps on a stock 1986 Westy?

Any other problems? Auto Trans. an issue? (we expect to try it with the Van in gear and trying to get up the hill under its own power)


That's the kind of situation where the Peloquin shines. The torque converter will help you keep the revs where they should be and the posi diff puts the power to the wheels. Up you go! Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:49 am    Post subject: Re: Pulling a Westy up a Hill Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:

It'll be dry by then, but the hill is quite steep and the road doesn't present the best surface for traction either.

I bet you can make it, so long as the road is not muddy.. A little bit wet can help, even.
I've gone up 25% dirt grades in my open diff Vanagon (manual)..
My bet is we 2WDers can climb a little steeper than that so long as you are not at higher elevations.. Air down a little for a bigger tire patch, if necessary.

Put it in low.
Start slow and maintain momentum.. Keep one hand on your e-brake and if you feel a wheel break loose keep your foot on the gas and give a little e-brake.

Otherwise an assist can be done off that little loop undernearth the front, pass side pinch seam. (check that its in reasonably sound shape, not rusted.. bang it with a hammer and listen)
Let the Jeep take up slack and as the van moves give a little gas to assist the jeep. Allow the tow strap to remain taut. A little test and practice on the flatter area before ascent is a good idea.
Agree on some signals between you and the jeep drive before hand.. i.e. headlight flash means slower and stop.


But makes us 2WDers proud.. Give it a go on your own first!
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danfromsyr wrote:
those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am trying to recall if any 2wd vehicles went up last October (for picking grapes); mostly it was SUVs; I used my Sube Forester.

I also expect to have some new more hwy oriented tires on by then, if I can find the $$ to buy them... so less traction.

Yes, ethanol will be involved - I'll make sure my Jeepey friend is sober before any pulls.

I have some bad 1970s memories of trying to get my hotrodded Bus up a fire road and failing due to lack of power. It went back down and smashed the rear up pretty badly on a stump.

I hope that tow loop is strong enough - there is only one on my Van and it doesn't look real strong.

BTW, I cannot find any info on this in the Bentley (I also have a British copy on my computer - not there either). It discusses how a tow truck driver should set the hooks into the slots in the under-body frame rails...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as alcohol is not involved you should be good to go however you attempt it.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

randywebb wrote:
It discusses how a tow truck driver should set the hooks into the slots in the under-body frame rails...

I had my van flat-towed last summer and they insisted on using that method.

They winched the van up onto the tilted flatbed which was already facing uphill a 10+% grade.

It deformed the sheet metal at the leading edges of the holes in the underbody.

Somewhere.. here on the Samba, I think.. there are pictures posted of severely torn out frame rails.. I wonder.

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those are straight line runs with light weight race cars for only 1/4mile at a time..
not pushing a loaded brick up a mountain pass with a family of 4+ inside expecting to have an event free vacation..
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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randywebb wrote:
Somewhere.. here on the Samba, I think.. there are pictures posted of severely torn out frame rails.. I wonder.


I remember seeing those pictures too. I've had my van winched up onto a flat bed on 2 occasions. One they pulled it up backwards after hooking onto my tow loop-mounted hitch. The second time they pulled from the front and I think they just hooked onto the single front tow loop.

+1 more for thinking you'll be fine on your own as long as the road isn't muddy.
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