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asps400 Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2016 Posts: 2 Location: Newcastle, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 10:23 am Post subject: Will Type 2 (early Bus wide 5) brakes and drums fit on 68 IRS |
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I have an early bus suspension and transmission I want to use on a buggy or trike. It sits too high because of the reduction gear boxes. I have found a 1968 IRS suspension but I want to use my wide 5 rims and tires because they were expensive. What do I have to do to put wide 5 drums on IRS suspension? Can I use my early bus drums? |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer

Joined: October 14, 2007 Posts: 11160 Location: Flippin' a Belt........ .... Off-n-On ... NC USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: Will Type 2 (early Bus wide 5) brakes and drums fit on 68 IRS |
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All depends.. are you planning to use a CV Joint (IRS ) Type 1(Beetle/Ghia) or Type 2 (Bus) CV Joint (IRS) suspension?
If its type for type.. maybe.. if its cross type.. probably not.
The Bus drums are much larger.
To use wide 5 Type 1 drums... with a Type 1 CV Joint (IRS) rear.. and keeping and using the 68 newer better rear brakes..
Conversion drums and done....
http://www2.cip1.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=C31-501-615-211AG
Search wide 5 IRS.. Its a popular conversion. ..
Always try searching for previous covered topics FIRST..
. _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
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asps400 Samba Member
Joined: June 10, 2016 Posts: 2 Location: Newcastle, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:00 pm Post subject: Re: Will Type 2 (early Bus wide 5) brakes and drums fit on 68 IRS |
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Thanks for the link. A little expensive for me but a possibility. |
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VOLKSWAGNUT Fastest VW Belt Changer

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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:10 pm Post subject: Re: Will Type 2 (early Bus wide 5) brakes and drums fit on 68 IRS |
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asps400 wrote: |
Thanks for the link. A little expensive for me but a possibility. |
Ha,, cheaper than more wheels and tires.... _________________ aka Ken {o\!/o}
Its your vehicle- stop askin' for approval-do what YOU like for cryin' out loud
Better to roll em' how you want and wear em' out-than lettin' em' rot out
Its about the going not the showing
Rebuilt to drive not decorate
WANTED: Local Eatin' Joints, Triple D for TheSamba contributions here http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570510
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vwracerdave Samba Member

Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15601 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: Will Type 2 (early Bus wide 5) brakes and drums fit on 68 IRS |
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There is lots and lots of info available about converting 4 lug to wide 5 in the HBB Off-Road forums. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
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tpinthepack Samba Member

Joined: July 11, 2004 Posts: 847 Location: clearwater,florida
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 3:41 pm Post subject: Re: Will Type 2 (early Bus wide 5) brakes and drums fit on 68 IRS |
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rear thing drums will go right on, but they are 1 inch wider yet the shoes are the same as the 68 bug. _________________ TP in the Pack (I am a cyclist)
1968 Manx N.O.S. w/ Barrett Chassis
1960 Single Cab 1914 w/ 40 DLRA's
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BL3Manx Samba Member
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jsturtlebuggy Samba Member

Joined: August 24, 2005 Posts: 4606 Location: Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
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Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 9:14 pm Post subject: Re: Will Type 2 (early Bus wide 5) brakes and drums fit on 68 IRS |
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Yes the early Bus rear drums (up to 1963) with small spline will work on a IRS rear brakes. The rain gutter on drum has the to be machined off and snout has to be machined shorter.
CIP1 sell cut down Bus drums to do this. There is a picture in their online catalog if you want to look.
My Dad and I did this back in the 1970s to replace stock brake drums that break from really wide wheels used in the sand. _________________ Joseph
Fair Oaks/Orangevale, CA
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