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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 4:27 pm    Post subject: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

I’m assembling my big bore 40hp and after multiple dry fittings to check clearances etc I’ve noticed there seems to be a larger than normal gap in my case. About 0.33mm or 0.013” gap all around the case above the camshaft, including the rear main bearing saddle and front main bearing saddle. Below the cam shaft the case is very tight like it should be. The case has been machined recently. The dowels and dowel holes are completely clean. I’m wondering if there is a spec for that gap, Thanks in advance!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

I should also note that this is just with the mains torqued. No outer hardware installed/torqued
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

Assuming the case split is perfectly flat with no bearings
.000-.002 aluminum bearing
.002-.005 with a steel shell bearing.
Inches.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 5:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

Thanks! Now that I know my gap is way out to lunch I’m curious what would cause this? Warping?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

I'll ask the dumb question.

Is this occurring with the crank and cam installed or just the bare case with the bearings in the saddles?

If the crank and cam are in place. Take the crank out and torque to spec and see if the gap goes away.
If the gap goes away. You like have a bearing misaligned holding the case open.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

Possibly thing too big for hole. Measure hole. Measure thing.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

This is with the case empty. The gap is the save with and without the crank/bearings installed. After further inspection it seems the gap is at its widest near the upper dowel. Possible that it could be the thing that’s too big for its hole??
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

I always perform several different measurements to make certain that thing and hole are in agreement.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 7:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

Oh, that's different. I thought you meant with the bearings in place.

The VW community calls it "spread", like, "your case is spread"
I'd just call it warped. Caused by the bearing overheating.
Officially, it's junk, but IMO not necessarily.
Although, you said it was just machined in some way?
This should have been addressed before re-surfacing or line boring.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

Yeah it was line bored by rimco a few thousand miles ago. The story on this engine is that I used to own the car it was in right after it was rebuilt then I sold it but the next owner striped the engine down due to dropping tools in the case and I got it in pieces. So I know it ran great with no leaks before it was taken apart, so something has changed and I’m not sure what
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2018 9:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine case gap after torquing case? Reply with quote

[quote="westfaliaftw"]Yeah it was line bored by rimco a few thousand miles ago. The story on this engine is that I used to own the car it was in right after it was rebuilt then I sold it but the next owner stripped the engine down due to dropping tools in the case<<<<<< There's your problem right there!
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