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Braukuche
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 Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:06 pm Post subject: What is correct for '62 standard engine |
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I am building a 40hp for my '62 and want it to be correct, even though I am using 1300 heads and a modified 1300-1600 intake, I want everything else stock. I have a big top diz, correct fuel pump and six volt generator. What I am not clear on is the correct generator stand and oil filler for '62. Is the stand the round type or is it the type with the ridges kind of squarish? Does it have the oil tube that runs down and is it straight or kinked? I image the filler has no vent pipe for the air cleaner that year?
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2Pack
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I think no tube on the oil filler. The parts list says they had the tube then they dropped it then started using it again. May/June 61 to Aug 64 didn't have it based on the engine numbers on the samba VIN tables.
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| Wow. So 1300 heads will slide on? Same stud pattern? Nice. |
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2Pack
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It looks like all of the oil fillers that do not have the vent tube do have the vent hose to the air cleaner, which would make sense. I have not found a counter example of that in the gallery.
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zozo
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No idea if the bugs and buses were different in this regard, but this is the original engine that was in my one owner '62 euro rag. Disregard if they were different. The date stamp on the air cleaner indicated that it too was original.
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crofty
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If I remember correctly, fresh air 40hp started in December of '62.
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elliottjohnson
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I'm very interested in this topic as well. A lot of subtle changes happened in '62
At the moment I'm interested in the changes that happened around the fuel and vacuum lines. Earlier today I was looking at the Bug forum, which mentions that in 61-62 the vacuum line was vinyl with the braided rubber fuel line. In 62 owners manual it's shown as a metal loop with the braided rubber fuel line going through the loop. Some time after that it was shown as a metal crook with a metal fuel line passing through the bend.
Looking at progressive refinements it shows that the rubber fuel line changed to a metal tube April 1962. I don't see any mention of the vacuum line, so I'm interested to know more if anyone has the info. |
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Braukuche
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| elliottjohnson wrote: |
I'm very interested in this topic as well. A lot of subtle changes happened in '62
At the moment I'm interested in the changes that happened around the fuel and vacuum lines. Earlier today I was looking at the Bug forum, which mentions that in 61-62 the vacuum line was vinyl with the braided rubber fuel line. In 62 owners manual it's shown as a metal loop with the braided rubber fuel line going through the loop. Some time after that it was shown as a metal crook with a metal fuel line passing through the bend.
Looking at progressive refinements it shows that the rubber fuel line changed to a metal tube April 1962. I don't see any mention of the vacuum line, so I'm interested to know more if anyone has the info. |
Its a bit confusing as there were differences between the type 2 and 1 engines. Didn't buses use the big top diz and the type 1s a aluminum bodied diz? Also, type 1 had the rubber hose from the oil filler to the air cleaner, but the type 2 air cleaner on stale air doesn't have that provision, right? As for the gen base, in the pic in the owners manual it looks like no ridge and a oil fill tube is there, but my eyes suck. I was hoping someone has a '62 bus with an og 40hp in it that can state definitively what the dilly-o is.
Barry, it was pure happenstance on the 1300 heads. I bought out a guy who used to build engines back in the day and he had some complete rebuilt heads. I measured these out at 77s and thought they were square boss 40hp heads. Didn't think to look at the ports 
Anyway they fit the bolt pattern without modification, slipped right on to the jugs so I thought they were correct until I tried to fit my 40hp intake on. Had to buy a 1600 sp manifold from Bill May and then cut it down and weld it up to fit, was a pain in the ass, but should look more or less stock once its all together. I decided to stick with the 1300 heads because if I decide to keep the bus I would likely get a set of kadrons for it on single port manifolds to give it a little more juice, and it gives the possible future owner more choices on upgrades on the carbs than 40hp which little is produced for at the moment. Plus I didn't have to pay for heads to be rebuilt. 
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Clara
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| zozo wrote: |
No idea if the bugs and buses were different in this regard, but this is the original engine that was in my one owner '62 euro rag. Disregard if they were different. The date stamp on the air cleaner indicated that it too was original.
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This following pic has what I was told is a "62 only stale air fan shroud"
It has the same flat top as the 'normal' fresh air fan shroud, but is stale air.
Fresh air started in dec 62. I have not looked for when the '62' fan shroud was introduced.
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Braukuche
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Thanks Ev, the picture is pretty clear and looks like the small one in the owners manual on the site: round generator stand, down draft tube, no vent to air cleaner.
Another question: did they paint the big top vac cannister? If not, how do you keep it from rusting or getting scuzzy looking? Also, is there source for those rubber spark wire holders? I only have one good one.
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| Also, is there source for those rubber spark wire holders? I only have one good one. |
http://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=113905451
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Braukuche
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I suck at searching their site, I didn't see those. Thanks!
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crofty
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I suck at searching their site, I didn't see those. Thanks! |
No problem.
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tasb
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The cast iron distributor housings were painted matte black. The aluminum bodied distributors and the vacuum cans were never painted. I have applied a coat of rust inhibitor to the cans with some good success. Just let 'em age gracefully like the rest of the car.
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Riff Raff
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My June 61 came with the original engine. Just a touch early for reference for a 62 engine, but it has round gen stand and downcomer breather tube.
The shroud was rounded on top.
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