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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:00 pm    Post subject: Im not a virgin anymore. I just broke my first clutch cable Reply with quote

Went to work last friday, got out of the garage, went to grab 1st and bam, clutch goes to the floor!! Unless you have broken one before, weird oh crap things immediately go through your mind Laughing I guess one shouldnt reuse the bowden tube as I couldnt get the new cable through it. Installed new cable and bowden tube from bustoration and all is good now. Thanks to the samba and the many thread reads on stuff breaking, I remembered what the hell made my pedal go south.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How far did you have to limp it home with no clutch?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, no horrid detailed "I ran this stop light, blew that stop sign" to report. I simply backed it out of the garage, went to grab 1st. 1st push of pedal gave the pop but pedal still up. Feeling the oh shit what was that, naw had to be my imagination, pushed it again and it let go. Sat in bus for a good minute staring at pedal until cable broke came to mind. Put it in 1st, hit the key, drove it back in garage, shut off key with brake. Had I been 5 or 10 minutes out from the house I would have speed shifted it to work because she would not have had enough time to pick me up and take me the rest of the way to work. Funny thing is, My cable was broke when I bought the bus from the furniture store outside of Minot AFB. Still never experienced a cable actually snapping. I maybe adjusted the cable once over its life and that was it. I thought these cables went more slower than that Laughing Like maybe the pedal travel increases a lot to where you run out of adjustment at the wing nut. I guess not............SUPRIZE.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The clutch cable "snapping" is a little strong a word. Mine just went out of adjustment again and again until no clutch.
Now a throttle cable snapping, that's an experience. Try driving home like that. Set the idle screws up just enough not to blow up at a light, but fast enough that you are able to get going. Fun...These things didn't happen in Little Miss Sunshine.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The last bowden tube I installed was brand new, with a bustoration sticker stuck over another company's sticker, and it cracked during installation. I hate crappy parts. I would have mentioned it to Ronnie, but I got it as a replacement for one that I gave a friend when he needed to get his bus going in short order.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Congrats!!!!

QMC did you inspect the forward clutch bracket that the front end of the cable attaches to? That hole for the pin gets worn out into a long slot and can snap at any time when worn enough.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:02 pm    Post subject: Busted cable Reply with quote

I remember changing a cable while lying in the gutter at night, Vancouver rain coursing down the hill and over me, as my passenger was asking "Are you almost finished?". When it was up and running, she said "Do you always swear like that when you are working on the truck?"

I still do from time to time. I have yet to achieve equanimity under those sort of conditions.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Busted cable Reply with quote

Don66bus wrote:
I remember changing a cable while lying in the gutter at night, Vancouver rain coursing down the hill and over me, as my passenger was asking "Are you almost finished?".


That is why it is so nice to just use the "Shift without clutch" trick you can read up on in the "Idiots Manual".

Have done that several times to avoid nasty places/situations like that.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I got the hang of driving a stick, the next thing my dad taught me was how to roll start because "You'll have to do it one day" After that was mastered, he taught me how to shift without the clutch because "one day your clutch cable is going to break and you'll have to drive it home like this"


In those respects, my father truly knew best. Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:10 am    Post subject: Clutchless driving Reply with quote

I have driven several vehicles without a clutch, including a 40 mile stint on logging roads with a loaded 3 ton truck. That rainy night in Vancouver, though, I was facing 10 miles of rush hour traffic and 100 miles of freeway to home. It was safer, but wetter, to spend an hour lying on the road and put in a new cable.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've experience three broken clutch cables on three different VWs. One beetle, one bus, and lastly my shorty SC. The first two I changed on the spot, the shorty, because of the shortened nature of the cable and the lowered staus, I had to drive it home. Kicked into neutral for stopping, once stopped turn off engine and put in first, then cranked the stater to get rolling and speed shift. Worked this all out in my mind in about half a block from the first light I would need to stop at. Caught green lights all the way home (about 7-9 miles) and didn't have to stop until I pulled into my driveway. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitely being good at timing the traffic lights helps!

Longest was about 400 miles when towing a KG with our 63 SC, when the clutch disc exploded going from the Siskiyou Mountains to Seattle.

Busiest was in rush hour traffic in Los Angeles, did about 20 miles on that trip.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 8:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've only had to go clutch-less a few times, and for short distances, thankfully. But it definitely is a tricky and valuable skill to have in your quiver.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Had the exact same thing happen in my '74 bus right after i left work one day. Drove the 10 miles home with no clutch.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
Congrats!!!!

QMC did you inspect the forward clutch bracket that the front end of the cable attaches to? That hole for the pin gets worn out into a long slot and can snap at any time when worn enough.

Lifts shirt above head and mumbles nope. I did notice that the pin itself had the worn trough in it. Id guess so does the hole.
If memory thread reading holds out, Id have to remove pedal arm to fix and weld that?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ive done no clutch shifting before and its not easy, but not in my bus. Id have to practice that since the rpms are higher than other vehicles. Id guess keep rpms lower and shift soon, just like shifting at lower rpms when cold will make 2nd gear easier to find with cold trans oil. Id bet theres a thread on it too somewhere. If only everett would put the retna search scan software in place so that one could interface with search to find exactly what they want in no time.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Speed shifting is just that. Speedy. Accelarate, let off gas to unload tranny gears, and pop the shifter to the next gear. Easy-peasy.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Speed shifting is just that. Speedy. Accelarate, let off gas to unload tranny gears, and pop the shifter to the next gear. Easy-peasy.


And you will know real quick if you did it wrong. The sound is alarming.
Buses can be real tricky to shift this way. Much different in a truck with a top loader tranny.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Lifts shirt above head and mumbles nope. I did notice that the pin itself had the worn trough in it. Id guess so does the hole.
If memory thread reading holds out, Id have to remove pedal arm to fix and weld that?


Remove splash pan. Have a helper push down on the clutch pedal. Back where the clutch cable enters the front of the cable tube clamp two pieces of wood on either side of the cable with clamp/vise grips/etc., so cable will not slide back into the cable tube. Have helper let up on pedal. Remove the front cable pin, pull off cable, and remove nut on end of shaft. Then work the bracket off the shaft. Measure where the original hole was and size, weld up slot, grind weld down, and redrill hole. Reverse removal procedure to install, and use lots of grease in that area to keep front end of clutch cable from rusting up in there and wearing out much sooner. Replace the pin if worn!! Adjust the clutch pedal for proper play.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The small pin that connects the cable to the pedal broke on me a couple weeks ago. Did a roadside repair by using a small bolt in place of the pin - with two nuts on the one side locked together so that they can't come undone. Is a bolt as strong as that little stock pin thing? Am I OK driving the bus this way??

I'm going to have to try this speed shifting thing. Never done it, and would have really helped me out. When it broke on me, it was without warning, miles from home. I ended up fixing it right where it broke. I can sorta see getting gears to mesh once moving, but not understanding how you handle a dead stop... turn off engine, but in first, and crank while moving the bus? Doesn't that kill the battery instantly?
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