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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 3:40 pm    Post subject: The VW crowd - is it just me or Reply with quote

Do we seem to renew and replenish our ranks with younger and more diverse folks? I took my son to a British car show today in the Atlanta area. Practically no one struck up a conversation with us and my son seemed to be about the only kid there at times. I have a friend who has an old Mini that he takes to these shows and he says "I'd love to see some kids fix up some of these, it's nothing but fat guys with beards". (he's an older gentleman btw, but lean)

When we went to No Dough this year, the demographics never stuck out to me bc thinking back, it seemed a large cross section. I go to all kinds of car shows. The VW shows seem to always have (sorry to use the cliche) diversity.

Why do you think that is? (if you agree)

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 4:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree. The relative ease to find a VW and own one probably leads to more new people getting into the hobby. I am fairly new to VWs and I have met many different kind of VW people and no two are alike
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The VW crowd is different. We used to have a classic car get-to-gether in Ft. Lauderdale every weekend. The VW crowd would get together and mingle/talk shit, very diverse group. The American muscle/classic would basically stand by their ride and keep to their badassed selves. Something about the VW is cute/special/cool in some way that it attracts the younger crowd. I get WAAAYYY more comments on the bus than the 'vert. Buses have a place in many peoples heart even if they never owned one. Everyone knows someone who used to own one. Hope to see you at No Dough next year.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like the diversity, but the worst vw owners are the cheapskates. I can't stand folks that think they should be able to build a vw for a few hundred dollars, and get upset when a replacement part cost 15 dollars instead of 3 bucks etc. There are just bunches of these cheapskates around here, sorry that I can't sell them a great running used bug engine for 175 dollars. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I get WAAAYYY more comments on the bus than the 'vert. Hope to see you at No Dough next year.


Same for me on the number of comments, though I don't own the Beetles any more, comparing back to when I did have them. And, way more smiles and waves while driving.

I plan to go to No Dough, barring any baseball games for my son, we just have to wait and see. But, I've since found a lot of GA bus owners in recent months, I hope they'll go to. I plan to encourage them and talk it up. It was an awesome time.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 07, 2013 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I like the diversity, but the worst vw owners are the cheapskates. I can't stand folks that think they should be able to build a vw for a few hundred dollars, and get upset when a replacement part cost 15 dollars instead of 3 bucks etc. There are just bunches of these cheapskates around here, sorry that I can't sell them a great running used bug engine for 175 dollars. Rolling Eyes


Agreed...still way to many of them. Even those (new) who'd like to get into the VW crowd thinking an air-cooled Volkswagen is cheap and then bitch and moan after they realize it's going to cost A LOT more to restore one than when bought new Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 6:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use to 'Show' a lot, kind of backed off this season Rolling Eyes
a few yrs ago I had a solid Original 64 bug(sold it to VW headquarters payed my house off Wink ) when they where in Michigan Cool Nice Mustang was parked next to me and after about half way through the show the owner of the Stang came over and said something about how all the spectators had to say/talk/storys to me about the bug Laughing He was pissed nobody talked to him about his Stang Rolling Eyes Laughing I told him"It ain't nothing but a ford',, we became friends and I see him at the shows once in a while,LOL
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a lot of young people in the VW crowd, they just tend toward watercooleds over aircooled.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 8:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I belong to Herr-Kuld car association and we get together every other Friday and people begin to gather to look at some vw classics. They ask questions and I guess the side benefit is drawing in a younger crowd. I had one kid 10 years old who was looking at my Westy and gave him some advice. I said to him "Ask your Dad to help you find one, fix it up, and use it to go to College" and I could see that smile on his face like a light bulb came on. For the younger generations, we should leave our mark. Slow is a good thing, and might be the best of things.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ACVW, especially the bus, speaks to the counter-culture and mad tinkerers. It always has and always will. Age makes no difference imho. They are also very happy, non-intimidating looking vehicles so that is why they attract normal, everyday people. They just like they are smiling all the time where as the american muscle is very cool, but intimidating looking.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THe diverse population of people driving these is one of the things I love the most about being a classic VW enthusist. However, there are plenty "old fat guys" or trailer queen snobs that own VWs these days and make the show circuit. I just typically prefer to hang out with the guys in the camp ground making stew in their bus VS the guys making sure the chrome is polished. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went to an all-makes car show today in Seaside Heights and what struck me about the crowd was how many women came to look at my Beetle. They were not as interested in most of the other cars. So the VW crowd is not just more age-diverse but also more gender-diverse.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ACVWs are still cheap when compared to most euro & American iron - add in more plentiful & cheaper parts (compared to imports at least) and VWs are a good entry level vehicle for anyone wanting an older/vintage ride. Other issues I think spurring people into owning a acvw - coming from a VW family and as mentioned the whole counter-culture type aspect. Oh one more thing - most cars around when sub 30's were growing up were trash - but there were still acvws rolling well into the 90s.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ACVWs are still cheap when compared to most euro & American iron .


don't think so.....4K for a 50 horse dual port, or 5K for 500 horse SBC....vw's have gone way up on parts....well good ones anyway.

i figure i could do a full blown camaro build for less than it is going to take me for a 70 bus.....


but i'll do it anyway!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh boy, if you wanna see a bunch of old farts with beer bellies go to a gen aviation fly-in some Sat. I swear, no one is under 50, and that's sad.

The VWs used to be the bargain play. Now, I just paid a bunch for some rebuild parts for my engine, and nothing is made in US, Germany, or Slovakia. It's all Brazil, Mexico, and China. You can't even get some parts for air cooled from US or Germany anymore.

Body and paint, is body and paint on anything. But the trim stuff for VWs is stupid expensive for what you're getting. Also, my wife puts me on a budget, and once I spend XXXX for aviation parts, there isn't much left over for VW parts and work.

Hehe, I just read that, guess I've got first world problems.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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ACVWs are still cheap when compared to most euro & American iron .


don't think so.....4K for a 50 horse dual port, or 5K for 500 horse SBC....vw's have gone way up on parts....well good ones anyway.

i figure i could do a full blown camaro build for less than it is going to take me for a 70 bus.....


but i'll do it anyway!


Think however you want. As with anything there are exceptions. Like I said MOST! 2 or 3 grand gets you a running driving later model bug $500 gets you a shell. While I do see some younger owners with some more expensive VWs mostly I see cheaper, later bugs, things and sometimes a bay. Split bus, early VWs are something different (and yes there are some younger owners). Sure you can find a late model MG midget for maybe 3k - but IN GENERAL you arent going to find too many european sportscars for much less than 10 grand and the parts will kill you. American iron - sure maybe you can buy a decent Pinto - but a 68 camaro, mustang or mopar - dont think so and those are the cars that are typically at shows and those are typically driven by old guys. So I'll stick with what I wrote & what I've seen over the last several years.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All differences between makes and prices aside, the local FLAPS guys have observed that my son and I are one of the very few dad/son teams they get in their store getting supplies and ordering parts.

So how many dads are getting their kids into cars?

I tend to thing that with the computerization of cars, the younger crowd plays with chipable horsepower, while older guys play the nuts and bolts of it.

At shows, if a kid wants to get in the bus and check it out, I totally welcome it and tell the parent its ok. Car shows that are all look and no touch suck for younger kids.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 6:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Krautski wrote:
There are a lot of young people in the VW crowd, they just tend toward watercooleds over aircooled.

If you think Watercooled are anything like Aircooled, you're on the wrong site.

For the watercooled guys, they'd drive Hondas if VW wasn't around.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 7:24 am    Post subject: Similar Reply with quote

79SuperVert wrote:
I went to an all-makes car show today in Seaside Heights and what struck me about the crowd was how many women came to look at my Beetle. They were not as interested in most of the other cars. So the VW crowd is not just more age-diverse but also more gender-diverse.


A couple weeks ago I did the same thing at an All Makes car show. I was surprised how many women wanted their picture with the T3 Squareback I brought, let alone wanted to say something about their personal VW experience. Broad spectrum of ages. Older gals saying they had one in college or their first car to drive from their parents. Middle age women saying their Mom took them to soccer practice in one and had her first date in a Blue one. To hearing a young girl maybe 16?? saying to her friend she was walking with "this is the car I would want to drive".
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 09, 2013 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's simple- often in Hot Rod circles- it's the car that makes the owner cool. In VWs- it's the owner who makes the car cool.
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