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CityboyVWBug
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Here is my bug and to be honest she is slow..lol What can be done to improve speed.
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swelchy
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Get Nos Yo...... 
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1970VWGUY
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CityboyVWBug
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| 1970VWGUY wrote: |
| Buy a vett |
What is a vett |
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Wolfgangdieter
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Vette - Fiberglass so no rust, heat and AC. 2013 Chevrolet 427 Convertible comes with 7.0-liter LS7 from the Corvette Z06 and makes 505 horsepower and gets 15-24 mpg.
Loose junk in the trunk. Add dual carbs and decent exhaust. It will sound faster at least.
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RLFD213
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| Just drive it downhill. That'll make it go faster. |
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OLD VW NUT
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| Posted: Tue Oct 01, 2013 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: What can I do to improve performance (Speed) and handlin |
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| CityboyVWBug wrote: |
Here is my bug and to be honest she is slow..lol What can be done to improve speed.
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Ok lets be honest - speed cost money - how fast can you afford to go? A 2110 or 2180cc motor with all the goodies inside and topped off by dual Weber IDF carbs will cost you anywhere from 5k$ and up. Handling is cheaper - 4 corner disc brakes will cost anywhere from $600 to $1000. With a few more add-ons like sway bars you can make the car handle quite well.
My advice? Find a VW thats been 'done up' with all the above already and sell the car you have now. Or spend the money on this car - however much you can afford to throw at it.
Nice looking car by the way...
Oh yeah - if you have heater boxes on the car ditch those water galley plugs and connect some hoses to them to help keep the heads from burning up. Thats probably the #1 cause of cracked heads on air cooled motors.
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vwracerdave
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Read, read, read, and then read some more. determine what your budget is and then start planning your adventure.
http://www.aircooled.net/vw-technical-articles/
When you get tired of that, then try reading more here.
www.geneberg.com
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CityboyVWBug
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 3:34 am Post subject: Re: What can I do to improve performance (Speed) and handlin |
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| OLD VW NUT wrote: |
| CityboyVWBug wrote: |
Here is my bug and to be honest she is slow..lol What can be done to improve speed.
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Ok lets be honest - speed cost money - how fast can you afford to go? A 2110 or 2180cc motor with all the goodies inside and topped off by dual Weber IDF carbs will cost you anywhere from 5k$ and up. Handling is cheaper - 4 corner disc brakes will cost anywhere from $600 to $1000. With a few more add-ons like sway bars you can make the car handle quite well.
My advice? Find a VW thats been 'done up' with all the above already and sell the car you have now. Or spend the money on this car - however much you can afford to throw at it.
Nice looking car by the way...
Oh yeah - if you have heater boxes on the car ditch those water galley plugs and connect some hoses to them to help keep the heads from burning up. Thats probably the #1 cause of cracked heads on air cooled motors. |
The heater boxes were taken off and replaced with J tubes. I would never have use for the heat as I live in the south and it rarely gets cold. |
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aryue
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| Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2013 5:27 am Post subject: Re: What can I do to improve performance (Speed) and handlin |
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| .......... I would never have use for the heat as I live in the south and it rarely gets cold. |
If you live down south, then you better get your engine sheet metal in order. On your build - it looks like you have a gaping hole where the pulley tin should be.
The idea here should be to keep any heated air from the bottom of the engine out of the top engine compartment.
I like that old quote above, "how fast do you want to spend?" There used to be sign behind the parts counter of long ago extinct European parts house that said something to that effect. Today, there is a high-end coffee shop and a sushi place on that block. The original buildings on that block are long gone.
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Busdriver79
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All stock ACVWs are not as fast as modern cars of similar displacement....You can add dual carbs and an extractor exhaust system to give it a bit more "GO", but it still might need more if everything else is stock....Either you will have to increase displacement or you will have to fit a turbo charger (not recommended on a stock 1600DP)....Remember what the hot rodders have said since they began modifying cars.." The only thing better than cubic inches is...MORE CUBIC INCHES !!...Increasing displacement is a guaranteed way to go faster is everything else is unchanged...Changing camshafts is helpful too...Combine these two changes with dual carbs and exhaust mods and your Bug will really wake up....I suggest getting a copy of Tom Wilson's book "How to Rebuild You Volkswagen Air Cooled Engine" for starters and become familiar with the ACVW engine...Then you might understand better what can and can't be done to it....You might also try unloading any extra "stuff" from the car...back seat, spare tire, tools, suitcases, etc. to lighten it up some....every extra pound counts.  BTW, that's a nice looking Bug ! |
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CityboyVWBug
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| All stock ACVWs are not as fast as modern cars of similar displacement....You can add dual carbs and an extractor exhaust system to give it a bit more "GO", but it still might need more if everything else is stock....Either you will have to increase displacement or you will have to fit a turbo charger (not recommended on a stock 1600DP)....Remember what the hot rodders have said since they began modifying cars.." The only thing better than cubic inches is...MORE CUBIC INCHES !!...Increasing displacement is a guaranteed way to go faster is everything else is unchanged...Changing camshafts is helpful too...Combine these two changes with dual carbs and exhaust mods and your Bug will really wake up....I suggest getting a copy of Tom Wilson's book "How to Rebuild You Volkswagen Air Cooled Engine" for starters and become familiar with the ACVW engine...Then you might understand better what can and can't be done to it....You might also try unloading any extra "stuff" from the car...back seat, spare tire, tools, suitcases, etc. to lighten it up some....every extra pound counts. BTW, that's a nice looking Bug ! |
Thanks!
I don't want a race car but more acceleration for my daily drives. |
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Busdriver79
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| All stock ACVWs are not as fast as modern cars of similar displacement....You can add dual carbs and an extractor exhaust system to give it a bit more "GO", but it still might need more if everything else is stock....Either you will have to increase displacement or you will have to fit a turbo charger (not recommended on a stock 1600DP)....Remember what the hot rodders have said since they began modifying cars.." The only thing better than cubic inches is...MORE CUBIC INCHES !!...Increasing displacement is a guaranteed way to go faster is everything else is unchanged...Changing camshafts is helpful too...Combine these two changes with dual carbs and exhaust mods and your Bug will really wake up....I suggest getting a copy of Tom Wilson's book "How to Rebuild You Volkswagen Air Cooled Engine" for starters and become familiar with the ACVW engine...Then you might understand better what can and can't be done to it....You might also try unloading any extra "stuff" from the car...back seat, spare tire, tools, suitcases, etc. to lighten it up some....every extra pound counts. BTW, that's a nice looking Bug ! |
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I don't want a race car but more acceleration for my daily drives. |
...Then go for the largest displacement you can afford and keep the bolt ons for a later time...A big inch stock appearing engine will still put a big smile on your face every time you gas on it ! |
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Busdriver79
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...I'd give an unknown 1600 a 50/50 chance of survival with a turbo....If you know that it was a recent rebuild, then maybe it'd be OK....A used engine with unknown service history/mileage would be a crapshoot....kinda like taking a junkyard engine racing. |
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VolkswagenVMan
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Don't forget the trans, when you put more through the trans you may tear it up if its stock.
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Go_Bug_n
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Start off by putting the motor back to its original specs; as it was when it came from Germany!
Your heater box hoses need to be reconnected to cool off the heads. Reconnect the hot air intake to help the motor warm up better. Is your heat riser clear and working?
How's your carb? Is it leaking around the throttle shaft? Is it an EMPI or Chinese knock-off? If it's the original Solex carb and needs an overhaul, send out out and have new throttle bushings installed to prevent vacuum leaks.
Get rid of the 009 dizzy and put in a correct SVDA distributor. Put in a Pertronix electronic ignition and use Autolite 275 plugs (equiv to Bosch W8BC plugs). Ignition improvements will definitely make the motor feel peppier!
Just get the motor to its original specs. I think you'll be surprised at how peppy it can be.
Most handling problems can be solved by a complete four-wheel alignment back to factory specs. Make sure the tires are inflated according to factory specs. Usually 29psi rear and 18psi front.
Bottom line is that what VW put into the Beetle is about as good as you can get for everyday driving. |
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Joel
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| or you will have to fit a turbo charger (not recommended on a stock 1600DP)....! |
Not recommended for newbies, but can work well as stock 1600s are perfect for force feeding thanks to a lazy cam and low compression.
Its only when people who don't know what they are doing put one together it creates a time bomb.
Thousands have done it for decades to good effect, I doubled the HP of my stock 1600 with only 10psi and still had a reliable daily driven engine.
It was already a 10 year old engine at the time I built in the mid 90s with 50k+ on it. |
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OLD VW NUT
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A turbo on a stock motor is a great option if the owner realizes they are dealing with a potential time bomb - depending on how they drive it. The lower end of the 1600 based motors are quite stout as long as the rpms are kept reasonable. 5-7 pounds of boost will make you think you're driving a 2L motor. Keep the timing reasonable and the mixture a tad on the rich side and the motor might last a while. Pushing boost over 10 pounds and adding a heavy right foot and 5k plus rpms will ensure a short life for a stock motor. As with any upgrade in power make sure the motor is in good shape. Grafting a turbo to a motor that is approaching its twilight miles will accelerate that last useful mile.
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