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hobie16
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| thanks for the input. Question, so could that worn out part on the sway bar be the cause of the shimmy, or its just another thing i have to fix? |
Probably not. The anti sway bar only affects the lean of the vehicle when going around corners. Basically, it reduces it.
The previous mentioned list of things to check is the way to go.
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hobie16
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| thanks for the input. Question, so could that worn out part on the sway bar be the cause of the shimmy, or its just another thing i have to fix? |
Probably not. The anti sway bar only affects the lean of the vehicle when going around corners. Basically, it reduces it.
The previous mentioned list of things to check is the way to go.
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citroen
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| thanks for the input. Question, so could that worn out part on the sway bar be the cause of the shimmy, or its just another thing i have to fix? |
you could leave the sway bar off and the thing just would not handle as good but don't leave it off. |
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FV195
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18f. 28 rear centerlines with hankook tires, ball joints can cause shimmy too, in the past two years I have replaced ball joints, tie rod ends, shocks, dampener. My front end is rock solid at any speed maxes out at 90mph rides smooth as butter
About 1/8" of toe in will help make it track straight, hope you get it figured out, I love driving my thing, looking forward to getting some snow to play in |
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hobie16
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apchief
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well i let some air out but still causing issues. So I inspected the front end more carefully and found the culprit, the tie rod ed.
You can see its tilted forwards at an angle, looks like its about to break off. Should I just change the left inner tie rod end or the whole tie rod? |
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Wildthings
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| Posted: Wed Nov 13, 2013 1:26 am Post subject: |
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| thanks for the input. Question, so could that worn out part on the sway bar be the cause of the shimmy, or its just another thing i have to fix? |
Just another thing to fix. The shimmy is likely caused by an out of balance or bent tire-wheel combo. Could also be a bad steering stabilizer along with other loose worn parts. As others mentions go with the cheap easy stuff first, though it is likely you have many parts and pieces that are worn out at this point. |
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MRJEL
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well i let some air out but still causing issues. So I inspected the front end more carefully and found the culprit, the tie rod ed.
You can see its tilted forwards at an angle, looks like its about to break off. Should I just change the left inner tie rod end or the whole tie rod? |
Chief,
That picture doesn't show any wear other than the cracked boot. Tie rods are designed to tilt that way. It may be bad, but not because of the tilt. See if reading this helps; http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/184
To answer your question, I would replace only what is worn. Since you have the shimmy trouble, I doubt only 1 tie rod is worn. |
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hobie16
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It wasn't that expensive to replace the tie rod assemblies and throw in a dampener just to be safe.
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apchief
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| oh really, so that looks normal? I thought it was bad because I looked at the other tie rod end and it doesn't tilt like that. |
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Wildthings
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| oh really, so that looks normal? I thought it was bad because I looked at the other tie rod end and it doesn't tilt like that. |
You need to loosen the jamb nut and clamp on the tie rod and align the ends to get maximun twisting movement for the rod. The way things are presently adjusted will cause binding and wear. The present angle of the joint is not due to wear, but could and will cause excess wear to occur.
Replacement tierod boots can be obtained from many vendors.
You need to crawl underneath and feel for play in the tierods, steering gear, ball joints, etc while your pretty lady rocks the steering wheel back and forth. With experience you can detect just a few thousandths of slop in a joint using your fingers. |
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apchief
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So I finally changed the tie rod ends and it seems the shimmy is gone. I basically tried to screw them in the same position as the old ones. Still trying to find someone to do an alignment for this type of car.
The only thing I noticed, but I think its unrelated, is that my steering wheel is at a sharp angle when going straight. |
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Wildthings
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You need to lengthen one tie rod and shorten the other to align the steering wheel, but first you need to get your toe in close. To adjust your toe you don't need any measuring device besides a tape measure. You can find instructions on doing this on the web.
You can also adjust your camber if need be with little more than a torpedo level. |
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RocklinDave
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| Posted: Tue Apr 02, 2024 5:01 pm Post subject: Re: Steering box access |
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Have access, Need to remove, replace the steering box on my 74 Thing. Can not find any videos, and just one rather vintage step by step in an old Chelton manual. any help, direction please. Thank you.
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