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holdthewind2
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 Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 6:51 pm Post subject: TDI no pilot bearing??? And other ??? |
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Just put on a luk DMF on a BEW PD and noticed after i torqued down the flywheel bolts that there is no pilot bearing for the input shaft? I'm pretty sure there needs to be one for the Vanagon transaxle. Does anybody know what pilot bearing i need (part#) and if it can be installed after the dmf is in place?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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| It’s the same bearing in a diesel vanagon. But Audis, dashers and quantum’s used the same bearing. Don’t know the part number off hand. |
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holdthewind2
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 9:15 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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Thanks Mark, I found the LUK-4100009100 at FCPEURO for $4.89. the space for the pilot bearing just look quite large compared to what i rember what the vanagon's looked like installed.
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ZsZ
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:16 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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VW partnr is 056 105 313 C
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holdthewind2
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| Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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The bearing i got is the LUK 056105313C, i copied the sku# from fcp euro page... unsure why it has LUK 056105313C at the top of the page as the part number and below in the description part it has the sku# as LUK-4100009100 ???? Thanks for all the help...
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:41 am Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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| holdthewind2 wrote: |
| The bearing i got is the LUK 056105313C, i copied the sku# from fcp euro page... unsure why it has LUK 056105313C at the top of the page as the part number and below in the description part it has the sku# as LUK-4100009100 ???? Thanks for all the help... |
056105313C is the VW partnr while 4100009100 is the LUK equivalent (it is an INA partnr to be precise, but LUK and INA are both brands of Schaeffler Group beside FAG, and RUVILLE). probably the shops inventory system is based on the supplier brand, or it is just how they optimized google hits
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:59 am Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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| $4.89 sounds cheap. Is there one for $12.00? You don’t want to have to change it prematurely. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:38 am Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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| ...and if it can be installed after the dmf is in place? |
The OD of the pilot bearing is just a wee bit larger than the ID of the splines of the clutch disc, so no, you cannot install it with the DMF kit already installed. The flywheel to crank bolts are single use. I do not find any mention of the pressure plate to flywheel bolts being single use. You should be able to remove the pressure plate and clutch disc and install the pilot bearing with the flywheel installed. |
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holdthewind2
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:56 am Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? |
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I was afraid of that. I've looked and found nothing about the pressure plate bolts not being multiuse. thankfully i have the TDI -> vanagon input shaft (thanks T3) to realign the clutch.
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? And other ??? |
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Hijacking my own post... putting a 1.9PD onto a diesel bellhousing with the tdi dmf. What TDI starter and adaptor works and be able too clear a diesel syncro fuel tank? Thanks
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? And other ??? |
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Either vanagon diesel starter should fit. The later TDI starter with an adapter for the diesel bellhousing should also fit. It’s compact compared to the original diesel starter.
Have you bolted the flywheel to the engine with the flywheel and clutch yet? The bellhousing will likely need some clearancing. The stock diesel starter also needed to be “fitted” on the nose cone to fit the stock diesel starter. I had bad luck fitting a TDI starter with an adapter to my SMF TDI flywheel. PM me if you’d like to know my experience. |
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 8:10 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? And other ??? |
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Bell housings are not all the same, but on two bell housings so far with DMFs, this is the only area I've needed to trim:
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| Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:13 pm Post subject: Re: TDI no pilot bearing??? And other ??? |
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I did clearance the bell housing already. I did it with the flywheel "backing plate" on. Thinking about doing it again without the backing plate , just for insurance, because i honestly took a very little amount off compared to the pictures i have seen.
Mark, i'm hopefully using the "new style" TDI starter with the diesel bellhousing and DMF... i can wait on sending the transaxle and bellhousing out if it's wise to see if all adaptors fit and work before. "aka" easier to hang the nonconnected bellhousing to the engine as it hangs like a piñata from the hoist  than me man handling a transaxle/engine on the grass and dirt...
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