| Author |
Message |
VWLady Crazy VW Lady

Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3866 Location: Twin Cities, MN
|
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 5:45 pm Post subject: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
There are a couple of other really good posts on this but the pictures were not hosted on theSamba and are now missing.
With advice from hazetguy I finished this project on my 1957 deluxe and thought I would make a post with pictures.
Here are the components used in the rear wheel bearing on a small nut (3/4 ton) transmission.
I got the kit from Wolfsburg West. Missing in the picture is the large O-ring that came in the package since that is not used in this application.
This is the bearing cap and seal. The wider "washer" from the kit is the oil slinger and will sit loosely between the top of the oil seal and the bearing cap.
This is how it will be inserted into the bearing cap.
This lip is where the oil seal will rest when it is fully seated.
Here is how it will be assembled, In this picture the seal is not fully seated.
I used a small amount of bearing grease to make the seal installation a bit easier. Here the seal is fully seated. The oil slinger washer will be loose in it's space at the bottom of the cap.
It goes without saying that you should try to clean up all the pieces before disassembly. Here is the bearing cap and the oil weep hole should any oil get past the seal. Be sure to clean out any gunk here too.
Here is the stub axle where the thin spacer will sit. The outer bearing rides against this.
Notice the inner spacer has an inner taper on one side. This must be installed so the taper sits against the curved surface of the stub axle.
Once the outer reduction box half is installed, these components can be installed. Here is a picture before the RGB cover is installed, of the components in their proper order and orientation. It was easier to photograph them before I installed the cover than with it in place.
Once the outer RGB cover was installed I installed the thin spacer (inner taper facing in) and slid the bearing into place. I had to carefully tap it into place in the RGB cover until it was fully seated.
Next the smaller spacer washer was slid on against the bearing.
Next was a lightly lubricated small o-ring
Next was the bigger spacer with the inner taper facing the o-ring. It is this joint that is fully sealed when the brake drum is tightened to it's final torque. If you do not have the drum installed and fully torqued, you will have a leak!
Last I made a sandwich of one paper gasket, the brake backing plate and a second paper gasket. I used some gasgacinch sealant on both sides of both paper gaskets.
Finally the bearing cover (with the seal and large oil slinger washer already installed) was slid on. I tightened the four bolts and their spring washers in an "X" pattern and did the final torque to 45 ft lbs.
I added the three nuts and washers to hold the upper brake adjusting stars, and the long bolt and lock washer that holds the wheel cylinder at the bottom.
I have the brakes and e-brake cable to install and then the drum. I'll do the final torque of the brake drum once the transmission is back in the bus.
Last edited by VWLady on Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:56 pm; edited 4 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
21-window Samba Member

Joined: March 23, 2004 Posts: 248 Location: out planting
|
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 6:37 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Thanks for that.
So I'm getting ready to do a big nut this weekend. Is it a similar setup? |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
BulliBill Samba Member

Joined: July 09, 2004 Posts: 4796 Location: St Charles, MO
|
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 7:49 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Nice job! Great explanation and clear, sharp photographs! Thanks!
Bill _________________ I'm looking for these license plate frames from old Volkswagen dealerships for my fleet:
Coeur D'Alene - Lake Shore Volkswagen
Mission VW - San Fernando
Thornton VW - Stockton
Thanks for any help! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VWLady Crazy VW Lady

Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3866 Location: Twin Cities, MN
|
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 8:09 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| 21-window wrote: |
Thanks for that.
So I'm getting ready to do a big nut this weekend. Is it a similar setup? |
Not really too similar. Some differences I remember:
Instead of the small spacer behind the bearing it is a larger, thick one you'll need to reuse.
The bearing is a roller bearing rather than a ball bearing and the outer race will be fussy to keep on the bearing when you install the bearing cap and drum.
There is no small spacer washer between the o-ring and the roller bearing.
There is no oil slinger washer in the bearing cap on top of the seal.
Good luck! |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
'64cal lookdub 1200 Deluxe

Joined: May 29, 2004 Posts: 1725 Location: TX
|
Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2015 9:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I've heard some people say don't use the thin spacer in the kit that the o-ring sits against. Something about it not being thick like the originals and tearing up the o-ring. I've used them in the past though. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Who.Me? Samba Member

Joined: July 14, 2014 Posts: 2598 Location: UK (South)
|
Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 2:37 am Post subject: |
|
|
| 21-window wrote: |
Thanks for that.
So I'm getting ready to do a big nut this weekend. Is it a similar setup? |
Less fiddly (fewer components). The big nut spacer looks like this...
The metal washer that comes in the kit can be discarded as the flange at the top of the spacer does that job. You insert the seal without the metal washer in to the bearing seal carrier.
The spacer slides in from the outside of the carrier after the seal has been inserted (I'm holding the spacer by its flange in the photo below)...
Don't forget the o ring and paper seals (there's one behind the backplate too).
FWW, I found that using the Permatex High Tack red gasket sealer on the paper seals was helpful - it holds everything together while you bolt it up. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Scorcho Samba Member

Joined: May 04, 2012 Posts: 399 Location: Chicago, IL
|
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
For a small nut bearing, do you guys happen to have a part number I could go off? I ordered one through AutoZone and the inner diameter is too big so im thinking it is for a big nut axle? _________________ 1963 Bus
1982 Vanagon |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VWLady Crazy VW Lady

Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3866 Location: Twin Cities, MN
|
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
| FAG 311501283 Wheel bearing 1602 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Scorcho Samba Member

Joined: May 04, 2012 Posts: 399 Location: Chicago, IL
|
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
https://www.autozone.com/suspension-steering-tire-...27991_1651
so after googling it I saw it fits a late 70s BMW 320i and when I searched for this vehicle on amazon this different bearing came up-ill update to see if it fits! _________________ 1963 Bus
1982 Vanagon |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
VWLady Crazy VW Lady

Joined: March 13, 2004 Posts: 3866 Location: Twin Cities, MN
|
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2019 9:45 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
I may not understand what bearing you are looking for. This is a nice cross reference:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/info/bearingref_t2.php
6306 I think is the one you are talking about. 30x72x19 Ball Bearings |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Scorcho Samba Member

Joined: May 04, 2012 Posts: 399 Location: Chicago, IL
|
Posted: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
Made the mistake of working on another project as I was waiting on parts for this and now I'm confused how it all went back together and hoping to get some help
The part that I am holding in my hand-the 45 degree chamfered side goes pointing toward the backing plate side of the axle or the other way?
_________________ 1963 Bus
1982 Vanagon |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
campingbox  Samba Member

Joined: November 14, 2000 Posts: 10261 Location: Petaluma, CA
|
Posted: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
That is a ‘63 1-ton specific part.
I’ve always put the chamfer facing out which I believe it correct but I have seen it facing in before and it was working fine and sealed up fine. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
swharris Samba Member

Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 646 Location: N. Orange County
|
Posted: Sat Jul 17, 2021 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
| Scorcho wrote: |
Made the mistake of working on another project as I was waiting on parts for this and now I'm confused how it all went back together and hoping to get some help
The part that I am holding in my hand-the 45 degree chamfered side goes pointing toward the backing plate side of the axle or the other way?
|
You are conflating big and small questions. Please make a note for future readers that you are asking about a BIG nut RGB. This thread is about SMALL nut boxes. It seems trivial, but it is very easy to get confused if you are reading this for the first time. That seal carrier is for a BIG nut. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 241 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
|
Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2025 10:31 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
Pro tip:
If you want to make something to push your seal into the bearing cap (when using a vise), a 2.5" hole cutter will allow you to cut a piece of wood that is just the right size to push in the seal. _________________ "You realists can stay the hell out of our office." - D. Dudas |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 6300 Location: Sacramento
|
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:38 am Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
SCVW used to make these (I have one, and it's great) - I just did the seals on my deluxe last weekend
_________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
1957 Mercedes Westfalia single cab
1963 Unimog 404
1965 E-Type |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 6300 Location: Sacramento
|
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 9:41 am Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
And this is the "diagram" I've ever seen for this (rotated so it fits on the screen better)
_________________ -Thom
1956 Single Cab
1957 Porsche 356A Sunroof
1957 23-Window Deluxe
1957 Mercedes Westfalia single cab
1963 Unimog 404
1965 E-Type |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 241 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
|
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
| thom wrote: |
SCVW used to make these (I have one, and it's great) - I just did the seals on my deluxe last weekend
|
Ok, that's pretty awesome. _________________ "You realists can stay the hell out of our office." - D. Dudas |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
avocado_tom Samba Member
Joined: June 18, 2007 Posts: 241 Location: Pittsburgh, PA
|
Posted: Mon Feb 10, 2025 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
| thom wrote: |
And this is the "diagram" I've ever seen for this (rotated so it fits on the screen better)
|
So the only thing I'd add to this is that placing the spacer IN the bearing cover/seal when installing can prevent an unintentionally pinching of the new seal (and resultant leaking RGB). AMHIK
Otherwise, that's pretty damn solid. _________________ "You realists can stay the hell out of our office." - D. Dudas |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
RWK Samba Member
Joined: June 24, 2009 Posts: 1664 Location: S.W. MI
|
Posted: Tue Feb 11, 2025 7:05 am Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
In any seal install, make sure that the mark on the spacer where the seal rides isn't a groove, i.e. worn, plainly visible in previous pic. sometimes it can be polished out but at the risk of reducing sealing dia. _________________ 73 Type 181
63 Type 113
63 Type 261- 428 071
62 Type 241-378 025 178 530 |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
62DoKaGuy Samba Member

Joined: May 22, 2011 Posts: 1292 Location: Surprise, AZ
|
Posted: Wed Feb 12, 2025 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: Small nut wheel seal and bearing install |
|
|
| avocado_tom wrote: |
| thom wrote: |
SCVW used to make these (I have one, and it's great) - I just did the seals on my deluxe last weekend
|
Ok, that's pretty awesome. |
I use this 1-1/2” PVC end cap. Have for years and a cheap, attainable helper. _________________ ,,Wenige Menschen denken, und doch wollen alle entscheiden.'' -der Alte Fritz
| EverettB wrote: |
| ...I went at it from both ends but going from the rear didn't seem to do anything, although I did spray some rust breaker in there... |
4/62 Double Cab
5/61 Panel (sold)
4/59 Single Cab (sold) |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
|