1968 sliding door Remote Control Lock assembly

d21998

I've looked around and I haven't seen an answer for the following question. Is it possible to take the sliding door mechanism apart and troubleshoot any broken parts and fix it? Or is it easier to purchase a used locking mechanism? Has anyone taken the sliding door lock mechanism apart? Thanks for listening.
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airschooled · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:35 pm Post subject:

The front mechanism and rear mechanism are very different on the inside and out. Which is giving you trouble? They are connected by two adjustable metal rods (turnbuckle style.) I have not been able to take my front mechanism apart. Anyone else? I have not tried the rear.

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soissisc · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:49 pm Post subject:

I have taken my front latch apart before. It was years ago, like maybe 10 or 12 years ago? It happened that the door would not open (the night before a camping trip of course). So I took the mechanism off with the door closed. Once off, I had to grind the rivets off to pull the cover off. I cannot recall what was broken inside but I had to weld something If I recall correctly. Some cleaning and re-lube while it was open. The challenge was putting the cover back on with the spring for the inside lock oriented correctly. I then used a center punch to swage the rivets to lock the cover back on (much like we do to oil galley plugs on a type 4 engine).

Sorry, no pics or any better recollection. This was done on my '68.
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airschooled · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:50 pm Post subject:

d21998 · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject:

I will definitely try that. My little plastic lock tab on the interior assembly does not work and when you rotate the outside handle the center lock does not move at all.
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soissisc · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:54 pm Post subject:

I can get a picture of what the rivets look like now... If that would help? That spring for the inner lock was a pain in the butt. It might be a nice DIY with good pictures.
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Tcash · Posted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:48 pm Post subject:

My little plastic lock tab on the interior assembly does not work

Take a look at this. My inside lock would not work until I latched the door correctly.
68-73 Sliding Door+Directions+Operating+Operation+Using

Good Luck
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d21998 · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:02 am Post subject:

Got a new (used) assembly yesterday from a parts swap locally. Mine was messed up internally and would not lift up to lock. This one works like a champ after a little cleaning and greasing.
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soissisc · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:04 am Post subject:

A local swap meet that would have a 68 slider door lock assembly? Wow, you must live in Utopia!
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airschooled · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:26 am Post subject:

soissisc · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:29 am Post subject:

Not sure... OK, let me rephrase-

A local swap meet that would have any aircooled VW parts? Wow, you must live in aircooled VW Utopia! Very Happy

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aeromech · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:05 pm Post subject: Remote Control Lock Repair

I ground off the rivet heads

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http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq58/aeromech32254/LynneJoe1969Bus/DSCN3639.jpg

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq58/aeromech32254/LynneJoe1969Bus/DSCN3640.jpg

Then pop off the cover

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq58/aeromech32254/LynneJoe1969Bus/DSCN3643.jpg

Find the propblem

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq58/aeromech32254/LynneJoe1969Bus/DSCN3644.jpg

And then just put the cover back on. Use the mounting bolts to hold it together

http://i433.photobucket.com/albums/qq58/aeromech32254/LynneJoe1969Bus/DSCN3647.jpg
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soissisc · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:22 pm Post subject:

I, for some strange reason, ground the rivet heads off of the side that you can see when installed. Not my brightest moment, I can see now. Your fix looks like it would be a lot easier to put back together! Shocked

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aeromech · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:27 pm Post subject:

Well, I wouldn't say I actually fixed it. I found the problem but removed the inside lock lever. The door can only be locked with the key now.
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soissisc · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:34 pm Post subject:

I guess the moral of the story for all of the youngsters is, just because it isn't held together with threaded fasteners, doesn't mean that you can't take it apart and repair whatever the problem is inside.

Thank you for the pictures Aeromech!

Looking inside doesn't jog my memory on what was wrong with mine... I do recall the spring on that lock lever was a challenge upon reassembly.

My 8 y.o. daughter loves to "lock the slider" with the flip of that lever and the click it makes.
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aeromech · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:42 pm Post subject:

I don't recall exactly what the problem was but the inside lock never worked. I opened it up to see and for one reason or another decided I couldn't simply repair it by installing a new spring, etc. So I removed the lever and reinstalled the assembly. Just so you know, lots of times they'll use rivets instead of bolts or screws because it's cheaper.
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soissisc · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 12:55 pm Post subject:

The spring was a small wire helical torsion spring if I recall correctly.
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Tcash · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:30 pm Post subject: Remote Control Lock

d21998 · Posted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 6:54 pm Post subject:

I will fix the problem with the old one now. I would have rather had a semi operational door mechanism for this weekend than not have one at all. I ended up removing the front and rear mechanism, replacing the front, and cleaning and lubing both and re installing. She works like a dream now. Now all I have to do is get all of the locks keyed alike. The PO only had one key for the vehicle and it doesn't work on the sliding door or the engine door. The drivers door extension on the lock cylinder is broke off so I will be replacing that one also. At least I can get in through the passenger door or the rear hatch. Cool

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soissisc

I am revisiting this thread, last night my slider door did not want to open. (1968 Early Bay) I turned the handle and the back popped open a few inches, but the front did not release. So once again I had to unbolt the receiver on the B pillar so I could access the screws to get the latch off.

I got it open and could see the failed piece, it was the same as last time (if I remember correctly). I repaired the piece (broken welds on a two piece part - no pics sorry) and cleaned and greased everything up. I wrestled with that little spring on the inside door lock switch, and then I noticed a future problem.

This is the main cam piece that rotates when you turn the handle on the inside or the outside. The main boss that I have arrow pointed to is getting pretty floppy in there. That unlatches the back latch and also cams in the latch in the front when you lift the handle after closing.

From the front:

From the back

Here is shot I borrowed from Aeromech showing it in action:

I guess I am wondering what my options for repair are? I can see that pin falling out in the near future. And if you need to unload some stuff, that could really be a bad deal.

I am not sure I could do small tacks on the large side and clean it up well enough to function again.
Just buy a used latch and hope for the best? Does anyone take these apart and have good solid spare intenal parts laying around that they would sell?

Are the later bay latches the same on the inside? I have one from a 79 here.

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks
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99 Eurovan
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06 Audi A3
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