Installing new pop outs....

[65Micro]

Ok, so i just purchased 6 popouts from creative engineering, have painted them....and have spent over 2 freaking hours just to put one together with all new seals... Now i understand the importance of a tight fit, but damn! These things are so tight i probably won't be able to open the window. Is that normal?? or is there some "special way" i need to go about installing them. I've tried the glass cleaner etc, i can shove it in there, but then i can't adjust it down a little to reach the hinge screws....any help would be greatly appreciated!!
Thanks!

[tubdub]

try some baby powder on the outside rubber. that should make it easier to open and close.

[65Micro]

i used baby powder trying to slide glass into frames and install outer pop out seal...found out personally that loading it up with windex worked better. I will put some baby powder on the seal though afterwards. Good idea.

[timbo777]

I have just done six as well

My way, first get a mate

Second, a bit of WD40 around the rubber edge that you are pushing in

Both on the outside, keep the corners aligned neatly with the opening and then push in

We found that when we did it this way, the screws lined up perfectly

Best of luck, my thumbs and fingers ached a bit after this

[yakboy]

You can buy rubber lubricant in spraycans which I found helped greatly

[chazwood]

you can spray or apply anything you want on the rubber seal but if your window jamb is rough feeling to your fingers the rubber seal will stick on the rough surface. If its rusty.... well good luck. If its painted... a lot of times it isn't very smooth. Get a little rubbing compound and smooth out where the rubber touches the painted jamb and the rubber will still slide pretty good when the power washes off or the lubricant dries up. At least you won't feel like your gonna break the thing when you try to open it.

[65Micro]

ok, so i just got one popout together.....seems like this pop out stuff is for the birds. I am just 2 millimeters off of putting in the last 2 screws on the popout frames. i've tried 2 clamps on it etc, it just won't budge that last fraction of an inch. Damn i hate aftermaket stuff...but i will tell you what though, that first window sure fits nice and tight! 1 down... 5 to go!! woo-hoo

[chazwood]

Not to worry... by the time you hit #6 you will be a pro. When I put the rubber around the glass I like it to stay put and not stretch funny
so, I don't lube this , but I do like to lube the outside of the rubber with 3 in 1 oil before I put it in the frame. Ky jelly works good also. I don't like Windex because if it takes a while to struggle the frame together the Windex seems to dry up and stick. (then I can't seem to move it that last 2 mm.) Get bigger clamps and use 2 pieces of wood between the frame and clamps and you will get that last little bit without hurting your paint. I use 4 ft. woodworking bar clamps. Enjoy.

[65Micro]

So you think Windex is the culprit here?? As far as me not being able to get those last 2mm i need. Could be right. I've already tried doulbling up the clamps, i have some rubber ended clamps with the trigger style mechanism. Just don't have enough ass to get that last 2mm i need. Going to try to rig up another style clamp tomorrow, hopefully one with a handle i can turn. Thanks for the advice, i'll use aother form of lubricant for the last three frames! Screw windex....i don't care if it IS even streak free or not!

[splitpile]

Try a WW glass to frame seal. They are made shallower then everyone eles including CE's. Or you need to notch the existing rubber where the screw bars are in the frames.
My wife and I can do 6 frames in less then a half hour. She puts the seals around the glass while I press the frames together, using WD 40 or dish soap.
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[Gomer_Pyle]

When my dad and I assembled my six popouts we covered the edges of the glass in soapy water. what worked well. We did the same thing when actuallying installing them in the bus. The glass just slid into place.

Today I finally was able for force all the popouts back open and put some dish soap around the edges, it seems to work great. As for the baby power I tryed that and just made a mess.
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[turbo_g]

After 6 pop-outs my fingernails were bruised and two were bleeding.

I found that dishsoap straight from the bottle worked best.

I'm not looking forward to doing that again on my next bus.....
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[Jung Restoration]

click on my gallery pix, there are some clamp pictures.

I have had great luck using bar clamps to "suck" the frames down tight over the glass rubber. Then I use a clamp for the screw section, and "suck" that side in.

I tried to post those pix but I can't. it's been a while since i did that.....

Also, I didn't use any Windex or soap. Had them all together in around two hours or so. My frames were from Wolfgang Int. and the rubber was from Wolfsburg West.
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[skippy-c]

After wondering how I was going to do this for days and days, I just did 6 in a little over an hour last night all by myself (not by choice). I used Murphy's oil soap on the bus window holes ( a liberal amount) and a cheap $4.00 glass suction cup on the window. I pulled the window from the inside with the cup and put two of those little pain in the ass screws in my mouth while I picked up the flat head screw driver and got the top one in. Then I kept pulling for all I was worth and put the bottom one in. After catching my breath I did the middle screws and took a "break" and put the seal on the next window. One thing to keep in mind is watch where the little vw logo is and make sure they all are in the same spot when you are done.

I have not done the inner seals yet.

Good luck, I hope this helps.
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[Mr. Electric Wizard]

I just put together 2 of the same popouts that ronnie is speaking of, and yes, they are very, very easy to put together...
I couldn't believe how easy they were to put together
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[65Micro]

F#$K popouts! I"ve tried every trick in the book...and now have out of the 4 frames i have put together, 3 of them are just shy of the screw holes lining up on one side. I managed to get one completely done. Does anyone out there have the aluminum pop out frames from creative engineering?? I am using WW seals...wonder if they are a lil too big?? I wonder if there is any type of physical difference between the different manufacturers of these frames. And just to think, i went aluminum to avoid rust issues...the amount of time i've spent on them so far i could have taken my originals apart at least 10 times and repainted!!!

[Jung Restoration]

Clamps!!!!!! Use clamps!!!! and use wood as a spacer too...

It worked for this newbie....

No soap, or windex needed.
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[65Micro]

A clamp?? What's that?? Oops i did forget to tell you guys that i did go out and purchase a set of clamps.....which enabled me to get it to that point. I used the Irwin grip clamps that you use the trigger on to tighten, not turn a handle...still couldn't get that last 2mm out of it. Even purchased one like you have in your pics, thinking i could get better torque...lol Aww screw it.........i always wanted a panel anyway!!! Where's that welder??

[Mr. Electric Wizard]

I bought the ones that Ronnie (splitpile) sells and I didn't need to use any clamps or anything...
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