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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 12:57 pm    Post subject: Installing 1pc. side windows Need Directions Reply with quote

Does anyone have the directions to install "california" door glass. This project car I baught is a 1968, but the doors are earlier. I am not even sure that the windows that came wih the car are correct, but maybe they will work.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 1:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Go to the top of this forum
type " one piece windows " into the box that says "search this forum "
Get THIRTY EIGHT THREADS on this subject
read them all .
Then if you have an educated informed question come back and ask it .
Please learn how to use the tools available on SAMBA
Why are you asking questions about a 68 car on this forum .
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Easy grandpa pete, he is a newby and dont want to scare him off.
Honestly I do not like the one peice windows.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I put one piece windows in my first one. Ive regretted it ever since. In fact I was just thinking about buying some new doors so I can have the vent wings back. Putting in once piece windows requires cutting the supports out. Not easy to undo.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

grandpa pete wrote:
Why are you asking questions about a 68 car on this forum .


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This project car I baught is a 1968, but the doors are earlier
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 3:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Installing 1pc. side windows Need Directions Reply with quote

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This project car . . . is a 1968, but the doors are earlier.


First, determine the year of the doors. That can affect what needs to be done to install the one-piece glass.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 7:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It usually goes like this...one piece windows look cool. You have to hack out the vent window support to do it. Most say this can't be replaced if you decide to go back to vent windows. Your one piece windows won't roll up evenly, leak air and water. You want to switch back to vents, next to impossible unless you get new doors with vents. ' Joey' successfully rewelded the vent support back into the door. He has a post on this. I got another set of doors with vents. My PO installed one piece not me. Just my 2 cents.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one piece drivers window on my 63 has to be pushed out to roll it up .
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 8:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mine work pretty good, but they really take away from the VW look. And you loose your air conditioning! Mine are harder to roll up than other VW I have been in.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP, you’re going to hear a lot of noise on the Samba about how bad one piece windows are, and they might be right. I’ve never owned the kit type they sell for sedans so I can’t argue how well (or badly) they work.

But if you really like the look don’t let the nay-sayers scare you off, I’m sure they can be made to work well with a little effort… where there’s a will, there’s a way.

I wanted one piece window in my custom vert, I really wanted the look of the chopped windshield alone without the wings. So I built my own, built the tracks, had the windows made and modified a set of later cable type regulators to do the lifting. The door windows are frame-less as are the quarter window. If I can pull that off I’m sure you can make the sedan kit work.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

grandpa pete wrote:
The one piece drivers window on my 63 has to be pushed out to roll it up .

Grandpa Pete, I understand your frustration to answering a question that has been posed many times before. I did read some of the posts regarding the matter, but was not finding the answer I needed. My car (Made of several years) came with single piece door glass. I am cheap and would like to use it since I already have it. I just was wondering if someone would be kind enough to scan a copy of the JC Whitney directions( I assume that is where the glass came from) I apologize for not doing all my homework. I shall sit in the corner of my garage wearing a VW hub cap for a "Dunce Cap"
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My '66 came with 1 piece windows already, so debating if I wanted them or not wasn't really an option. The channels and scrapers on mine were in poor condition. My windows were scratched up as well, so I ordered the EMPI kit with new glass, glue in scrapers, and channel. I thought the quality of the parts was excellent, but the instructions were horrible (so I'm not following them at all).

At this point, I have installed part of the drivers side. Upon dis-assembly, the window sash was pretty rusted out. If I had known, I would have bought a set of sashes, but it was a Saturday morning and I wanted to keep moving, so I welded the two halves back into a single window sash.

I read on another site to use GE type II clear silicon for glue, and to use a Dremel to cut tabs through the metal inner core in the scrapers at the end to allow them to curve up. The channel felt went in pretty easily, I used the silicon for the part where the front window used to sit, as there are no clips to hold the channel in here. I went to Harbor Freight and bought a bunch of little bar clamps, and I used a bunch of shim stock to clamp and wedge the scraper in place while the silicon dried. It turned out ok, the curve up the front is so-so.

I haven't done the inside scraper yet, and I haven't installed the glass yet. It looks pretty straightforward to me, I guess I will find out.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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grandpa pete wrote:
The one piece drivers window on my 63 has to be pushed out to roll it up .

Grandpa Pete, I understand your frustration to answering a question that has been posed many times before. I did read some of the posts regarding the matter, but was not finding the answer I needed. My car (Made of several years) came with single piece door glass. I am cheap and would like to use it since I already have it. I just was wondering if someone would be kind enough to scan a copy of the JC Whitney directions( I assume that is where the glass came from) I apologize for not doing all my homework. I shall sit in the corner of my garage wearing a VW hub cap for a "Dunce Cap"


Welcome TheSamba, I love your sense of humor. You may now stand up and move away from the corner of your garage and resume working on your windows:)
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A little web searching and I found this: http://www.vw-resource.com/door_window.html

And this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&am...shEnqLw3Xg

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 1:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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grandpa pete wrote:
The one piece drivers window on my 63 has to be pushed out to roll it up .

Grandpa Pete, I understand your frustration to answering a question that has been posed many times before. I did read some of the posts regarding the matter, but was not finding the answer I needed. My car (Made of several years) came with single piece door glass. I am cheap and would like to use it since I already have it. I just was wondering if someone would be kind enough to scan a copy of the JC Whitney directions( I assume that is where the glass came from) I apologize for not doing all my homework. I shall sit in the corner of my garage wearing a VW hub cap for a "Dunce Cap"


Welcome TheSamba, I love your sense of humor. You may now stand up and move away from the corner of your garage and resume working on your windows:)


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_talk wrote:
A little web searching and I found this: http://www.vw-resource.com/door_window.html

And this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&am...shEnqLw3Xg

Gary


Thanks for posting those Gary!
And . . . nice job on yer convert windows! That must have been several times more difficult than installing one-piece windows in a sedan!

Most of the problems that arise with one-piece window installations is with the regulator. The '65-'68 Bug window regulator (the one recommended by the kit manufactures) was designed to move the window at an angle . . . the same angle as a late-model vent wing divider bar. That angle moves the rear edge of the window OUT of the window channel . . . then, the glass is free to flop around and rattle.
SOOOOO . . . try to install the regulator so that the window glass rolls straight up and down . . . and so that it stays in the channel!

Speaking of the channel, EVERY kit ever made has channels that are too short. The stock window glides in channel front AND rear. A one-piece window installation should have a second channel to guide the front of the glass. This is something that has to be custom fabricated!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the pre - '52 look of one piece door windows on Beetles, but the current 1-piece window kits need better engineering and materials.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All_talk wrote:
A little web searching and I found this: http://www.vw-resource.com/door_window.html

And this: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&am...shEnqLw3Xg

Gary

Thanks for the links they are perfect! A little confusing to read and understand, but once I have the door and the direction in front of me, I think I can figure it out. My doors have the vents removed. I will need to see how far the PO got before he died.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 4:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the other side of the car. The PO did a pretty good job patching the rusted areas with metal and pop rivets. I plan on welding some areas for extra strength, but he did a good job with what he had. I purchased the car for $500 and have added another $250 so far. I am looking local for a parts car to scrounge door handles, gauge cluster, the right steering wheel and etc. 20 years ago there was a bug in every field, not so much anymore.
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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This project car I baught is a 1968, but the doors are earlier. . . . Here is the other side of the car.

What leads you to believe that those are earlier doors? Look like late ones from here!
If you want to, show a photo of the inside of the door and we can help pinpoint the year of the door for you.
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