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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:16 pm    Post subject: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Here are some initial pictures of my '73 Westfalia project. Bought it some weeks back, and it's a 'US import 1700 TYPE 4.
I've just pulled the engine, and torn it apart to find, that one piston was totally destroyed, So the engine needs a complete rebuild.
Luckily there isn't a lot of rust, considering the age. I will post some more pics, as the project get along
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 1:17 pm    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2024 9:16 pm    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Um,
There is only one engine for this bus?
Or are there two?

One pic shows an engine together,
And the next shows a piston mangled - presumably during disassembly?

That isn't your work, is it? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:27 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Looks a good honest base to start from. Nice find.
Are you doing a full restoration from the start or just to get it on the road first?

Look forward to seeing your progress
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

WOW! That's ugly! What does the cylinder look like?
Looks like a nice bus. Good project.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:22 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Keep in mind that a GREAT MANY vehicles in the USA & Canada, have NOT been subject to the same regular, mandatory roadworthiness inspections as those in Denmark would be, so there might be many faults with the brakes, steering, suspension, drive-train, lights, windscreen wipers & washers etc, which previous owners have overlooked or ignored.

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Did you not fancy a Danish 1968~79 VW Type 2 motor-caravan conversion such as POBA or Fixbo!?!

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=247708

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=246083

My parents and I toured parts of Norway, Sweden & Denmark, in our British specification, 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental motor-caravan, during the summer of 1982.

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I was able to get our passports stamped in Norway & Sweden, but not in Denmark! Crying or Very sad

At a campsite outside Friedrichshavn, Denmark, during our Scandinavian, summer touring holiday in 1982, I came across a magazine article (Sven Stigø, "Her er vejen til det selvekørende feriehus, Camping, May 1982, Danish Camping Union), written in Danish, which seems to be about campervan furniture & equipment kits, for DIY retro-fitment to 1968~72 or 1973~79 VW Type 2 vehicles.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:53 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Clatter wrote:
Um,
There is only one engine for this bus?
Or are there two?

One pic shows an engine together,
And the next shows a piston mangled - presumably during disassembly?

That isn't your work, is it? Confused


There is only one engine to the bus, and the piston picture, is from when i opened the engine.
I've made another tread asking if someone would have a guess why i looked like that.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=794140
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:54 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

3am wrote:
Looks a good honest base to start from. Nice find.
Are you doing a full restoration from the start or just to get it on the road first?

Look forward to seeing your progress


Full restoration from start to finish before going on the road. So it's a long way to go! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

NASkeet wrote:
Keep in mind that a GREAT MANY vehicles in the USA & Canada, have NOT been subject to the same regular, mandatory roadworthiness inspections as those in Denmark would be, so there might be many faults with the brakes, steering, suspension, drive-train, lights, windscreen wipers & washers etc, which previous owners have overlooked or ignored.

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Did you not fancy a Danish 1968~79 VW Type 2 motor-caravan conversion such as POBA or Fixbo!?!

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=247708

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=246083

My parents and I toured parts of Norway, Sweden & Denmark, in our British specification, 1973 VW "1600" Type 2 Westfalia Continental motor-caravan, during the summer of 1982.

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I was able to get our passports stamped in Norway & Sweden, but not in Denmark! Crying or Very sad

At a campsite outside Friedrichshavn, Denmark, during our Scandinavian, summer touring holiday in 1982, I came across a magazine article (Sven Stigø, "Her er vejen til det selvekørende feriehus, Camping, May 1982, Danish Camping Union), written in Danish, which seems to be about campervan furniture & equipment kits, for DIY retro-fitment to 1968~79 or 1973~79 VW Type 2 vehicles.

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Wow, that looks interresting!
I love to see old pictures like that! Back then when the cars werent that old like they are today! Very Happy

The bus will be going through a big restoration before going back on the road. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 26, 2024 10:25 pm    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Nicklastl wrote:
Clatter wrote:
Um,
There is only one engine for this bus?
Or are there two?

One pic shows an engine together,
And the next shows a piston mangled - presumably during disassembly?

That isn't your work, is it? Confused


There is only one engine to the bus, and the piston picture, is from when i opened the engine.
I've made another tread asking if someone would have a guess why i looked like that.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=794140


Oh, yes, i read that other thread as well.
People agreed that the piston was damaged during disassembly.
It didn’t look like it had been back together since, because a big burr was showing at the edge of the damage.
There was a lip of metal thrown up at the edge of the mangled oil ring.
Since i saw the engine together in your pic,
The only conclusion is that you damaged the engine during teardown?

The motor was stuck at the mains, right?
That cylinder was seized to the piston?
You had to pry off the cylinder using the oil ring groove?
Maybe you used a puller?


Even if you didn’t do that,
Your leaving the under-cylinder tins in place as you pulled the heads and barrels had to involve some prying and bending and whatnot.
I’d suggest slowing down a bit and studying the Bentley.
Doing these engines in the right order will make things easier.
They are kind of particular and require diligence.
There’s a beginner rebuild thing i did in my sig that might help.


Good Luck with your project.
Always nice to see people give these things love.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:37 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Depending upon how easy you and your family find it to raise the elevating roof, you might wish to consider retro-fitting a pair of gas struts (i.e. gas springs), which is discussed on the forum.

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The standard Westfalia cutlery drawer is rather small, with no sub-divisions and wastes a lot of space above it. I fabricated & retro-fitted a larger one with five 2/3 depth sub-divisions in June 1975.

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I later incorporated an electric water pump for the sink unit.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 27, 2024 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Looks like a solid and complete bus. I have the same one except it’s an automatic.

At the very least the books mentioned above are a minimum requirement.
I also like the idiot guide as an overview.

Disassemble your engine with care. Just because it is old and has been mistreated doesn’t mean there aren’t many reusable parts that would be hard to replace with good quality. The stock oil pump comes to mind. Clean and sort as you go. Even some of the basic hardware wastes time and money if you have to replace it. Case nuts and bolts and cylinder studs come to mind.

There are also a couple good books on doing a complete restoration on a bus. Really helpful for understanding how to approach rust repair. One is published by Haynes.

Good luck with your bus.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:29 pm    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Tbh, i can't really see how I would have been able to cause so much damage during disassembly.
The cylinder didn't bind to the piston, just a bid to the crankcase, just like the other cylinders did. And when I emptied the engine for oil, there was parts of the pistonrings in the crankcase, which made me really nervous when i saw that Smile
But I dunno. At least I have a reason to buy a new cylinder kit for it!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 28, 2024 11:33 pm    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Got a bit further with the project this weekend.

Disassembly the engine bay to fix the rust, change the right batterytray - Including the rust which also appeared and welded a new right rear corner in place. The rust on the right rear side is new fixed. Time for the left side, which luckily isn't as bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 29, 2024 12:22 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Great start! I can see your standard of work is high, so I'm going to enjoy following this one Cool
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3am wrote:
Great start! I can see your standard of work is high, so I'm going to enjoy following this one Cool


Thanks! I've done fixing cars, mostly collisionrepair and bodywork, for a living for over 10 years. So i've learned a thing or two Very Happy
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 26, 2024 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

looking good .

where you at in DK ??
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:45 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Jesper_P wrote:
looking good .

where you at in DK ??



Near Ringsted Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 7:58 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Since my last update, i've done some more work.
Engine bay is now rust free, and has been painted Niagara Blue L53D, so once the engine has been rebuild, it can be fitted in the newly painted bay.

Today i've emptied out the whole cabin, to get an overview of all the rust.
So far so good Smile


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 13, 2024 9:05 am    Post subject: Re: '73 Westy rebuild project - Denmark Reply with quote

Rust doesn’t look bad. Take some time to figure out how it goes all together before doing any cutting. There are places where there are many layers of metal welded together. Less is more.
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