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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 3:29 pm    Post subject: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

Hello, everyone. Just got my hands on a 67 beetle. Pretty much stock. Need to source a pair of front seats, and set of heater boxes.

What all is usually removed when switching to j-pipes? The fresh air hoses are missing and 2 smaller hoses that connect to the oil bath air filter. What are they called and what do they connect to under the rear tin? Any ideas on where I might source these items?


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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

Heat Exchangers can be installed with the engine in, but being you are a beginner it probably would be easier to just pull the engine out,

You are missing the lower rear cylinder tins also.

The original VW dealer Parts Manual is accessible thru this website:

http://www.oacdp.org/

The type 1 parts manual is thru the "Upcoming" button at the top of that webpage. Lots of need to see exploded diagrams, proper parts names and parts numbers that can be used to find parts thru WWW searches.

You also need this manual ASAP:

https://www.amazon.com/Volkswagen-Beetle-Karmann-O...amp;sr=8-2


Check your local used book store for a good used copy for less, or the classifieds here on this website, or any VW swap meets.
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PostPosted: Thu May 30, 2019 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

What E&B said.

The pipes that connect the smaller preheat tube to the air cleaner are called "Stove Pipes." They connect to the exhaust port studs when all the proper tins are in place.

When you source a set of heat exchangers. You will also need the "sled Tins."
That go under the push rod tubes. This should be in the diagram linked above.

Regarding seats. If you want stock seats. There are two models in the 67 year. Early seat bottoms had a lever at the pivot to release the seat back. Later seats had the release lever on the door side of the seat back.
Personally, I would like to have a set of seats like your car has. I tend to corner rather aggressively. Causing my body so shift across the seat bottom on stock seats. Depending which direction I'm turning.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 4:22 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
What E&B said.

The pipes that connect the smaller preheat tube to the air cleaner are called "Stove Pipes." They connect to the exhaust port studs when all the proper tins are in place.


So I need 2 heat exchangers, 2 rear cylinder tins, 2 sled tins, and 2 stove pipes. Will this be all I need to put it back to stock?
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 4:36 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

Good, solid looking car. I think you are on the right path putting it back original... not to far off the target.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 5:59 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

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67rustavenger wrote:
What E&B said.

The pipes that connect the smaller preheat tube to the air cleaner are called "Stove Pipes." They connect to the exhaust port studs when all the proper tins are in place.


So I need 2 heat exchangers, 2 rear cylinder tins, 2 sled tins, and 2 stove pipes. Will this be all I need to put it back to stock?


These are the two stove pipes I need. Right?
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 6:14 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

the what looks to be a giant mouse nest around the #2 exhaust pipe where the muffler attaches to the head (or is that the gravel below, difficult to tell from your pics), as well as the missing heater 'bulb' on the left side tells me you should consider installing a new muffler.

better pics, and some pics of the underside of the engine can help determine what you need to go back to a more stock configuration.

this is the preheating pipe and tin set up for a '67.
be aware that the 40hp left tin looks the same, but is about 1/2" shorter/
send me a pm or contact me through one of my classified ads if you need any of the tins or preheater pipes, i have them available.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

shakers73 wrote:

So I need 2 heat exchangers, 2 rear cylinder tins, 2 sled tins, and 2 stove pipes. Will this be all I need to put it back to stock?


Hard to tell from here from the few images of the engine. You might be missing the thermostat parts. Might be missing the front engine tin piece. Might have a 1971 and later Doghouse fan shroud missing all the exhaust tin for the oil cooler. Your year of beetle would have left the factory with a non-Doghouse which worked, but was not as good at cooling the engine. DH shroud has a box on the left front of the shroud.

Really need images of the engine that are not so close up to get an over view, and from different angles. Plus would not hurt to get at least two looking up underneath.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

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shakers73 wrote:

So I need 2 heat exchangers, 2 rear cylinder tins, 2 sled tins, and 2 stove pipes. Will this be all I need to put it back to stock?


Hard to tell from here from the few images of the engine. You might be missing the thermostat parts. Might be missing the front engine tin piece. Might have a 1971 and later Doghouse fan shroud missing all the exhaust tin for the oil cooler. Your year of beetle would have left the factory with a non-Doghouse which worked, but was not as good at cooling the engine. DH shroud has a box on the left front of the shroud.

Really need images of the engine that are not so close up to get an over view, and from different angles. Plus would not hurt to get at least two looking up underneath.


I'm familiar with the doghouse as I have a 1776 dual port in a 74 super beetle.

The engine in the 67 is a stock 1500. Is there an adapter made to move the cooler outside the fan shroud and use the DH shroud?
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

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Heat Exchangers can be installed with the engine in, but being you are a beginner it probably would be easier to just pull the engine out


I'd also pull the engine to do this. A VW owner must know how to do this anyway, so why not now...

I also like the smaller brass nuts for attaching stuff to the cylinder head studs.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:11 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

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The engine in the 67 is a stock 1500. Is there an adapter made to move the cooler outside the fan shroud and use the DH shroud?


Easy conversion with common off shelf parts for as early as 1200cc 40 HP engines. Just need 6 to 8 mm studs and 8 to 10mm oil cooler adapter seals.

Just because the engine is supposedly "Stock", does not mean it has been rebuilt with all stock for that year parts.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

use copious amounts of antisieze on the exhaust parts!

Nice 67, I had one that color once, his name was Newton.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 11:57 am    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

hazetguy wrote:
the what looks to be a giant mouse nest around the #2 exhaust pipe where the muffler attaches to the head (or is that the gravel below, difficult to tell from your pics), as well as the missing heater 'bulb' on the left side tells me you should consider installing a new muffler.

better pics, and some pics of the underside of the engine can help determine what you need to go back to a more stock configuration.

this is the preheating pipe and tin set up for a '67.
be aware that the 40hp left tin looks the same, but is about 1/2" shorter/
send me a pm or contact me through one of my classified ads if you need any of the tins or preheater pipes, i have them available.

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That's gravel with what's left of a stack of hay bales underneath the car.

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

Shroud is non-DH. Engine looks pretty good than other missing so much tin, hopefully it was not run hard or too long that way.

Agreed, you should really get a stock type muffler. If you want to get full flow oil filtration you should get a muffler that has the heat riser pipe on the right side, and one of the CB Maxi 2 or stock Mexican oil filter pumps. While neither oil filter pump was stock for 1967, having all the usual crud not go thru the bearings is good for the longevity of the engine between rebuilds.

You have the thermostat bracket, but looks like the rest is MIA.

Need to get the rubber plug in the rear apron!
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

You will definitely need a proper muffler as the one you have doesn't appear to have the housings over the pipes for the exchangers to attach to.

Other than that, it looks like what the others have pointed out is mostly it. The rear tins with the holes and the stove pipes can be tough to find, but they pop up here every so often.

I have been working on the same project on my 67.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 1:18 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

the generator is installed 90 degrees off. that should be corrected, as correct orientation provides for proper air flow for the generator.
really nice to see the original, "67 only" carb support bracket.
you have no thermostat, but i think you knew that already.
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

Yeah, I'll get it all sorted, before I put her on the road.

One more question, What are the correct heat exchangers? I've found some in the classifieds that are listed as being for 58-67 and others that are for 63-74?
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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 4:32 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

Your looking for fresh air type heat exchangers. Any 65-66- 73year will fit. Probably more years. But that is a safe range.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2052053
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Yeah, I'll get it all sorted, before I put her on the road.

One more question, What are the correct heat exchangers? I've found some in the classifieds that are listed as being for 58-67 and others that are for 63-74?

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PostPosted: Fri May 31, 2019 4:37 pm    Post subject: Re: 67 with j-pipes Reply with quote

shakers73 wrote:

One more question, What are the correct heat exchangers? I've found some in the classifieds that are listed as being for 58-67 and others that are for 63-74?


Non-F typeI, and not the post-1967 bus ones that have the cable connections way up near the top/head of the HE. Also make sure the outlet is 60mm, not the earlier 50mm.
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