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novetti Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:48 pm Post subject: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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Volkwagen Brazil - Anchieta Plant 1970 FIRE
Transferring this from another VWB free bashing...
Another trivia from VWB operations and some education for the rocket scientists who like to bash and crap on anything VWB did was less inferior or poorer than the sourkrautz laden aroma from Wolfsburg...
German VW's paint from 68' to until 72' was complete and utter SHIT compared to BR VW through that period and here is why.
The Brazillian Plant had a serious fire at the recently inaugurated paint shop in 1970 (took them 5 years to complete the installation) which completely wrecked the facility with people killed included (90,000m2 of shopfloor lost, 41 million USD equiv today).
However the VW Wolfsburg Plant had procured from DURR a complete new modern paint line to replace the old German facility (which was out of compliance, expensive to run and outdated) 2 years earlier ans was at advanced fabrication stage.
Due to the fact they lost the brand new facility in Brazil and putting that back online would take over a year or more to procure another system (simply put the whole production would stop), Kurt Lotz (global VW president) and others decided to ship to Brazil the DURR package already been fabricated originally intended for the German plant, so they could put the BR plant back online asap. So they did. Until that became operational they actually counted on assistance from Karmann, Ford, Willys, Mercedes Benz who also had manufacturing lines nearby the Anchieta plant. These plants actually sprayed VW cars for a a few months until they could re-erect the facilities in house.
What happen then Brazil had a state of the art E-coat pre treatment and the whole line years earlier than Germany manufacturing did. Specially when the T2 changed to bays in 68', VW Wolfsburg was having serious issues in the surface protection and coatings, re tooling, prep, different welding and assembly methods from the split (hence the decision to modernize the line).
About Nordhoff, he was a character on its on, the T2 only lasted that long because he was the real hipster (not a guitar hero), and he firmly believe the simplicity of the design would last forever. Only after he got pushed away from the control of VW that things started to change (from aircooling to Watercooling), more car models, more frequent re styling etc.
He was pivotal in the implementation of VWB, he used to travel frequently to Brasil during the period of construction and early operations of the Anchieta plant.
I put some photos from the fire in my album here at the samba for the trolls to see and a link to a few details about this story (in portuguese)
http://zonaderisco.blogspot.com.au/2008/08/memria-mega-incndio-na-volkswagen.html
The Anchieta plant was no mickey mouse operations comparing to other foreign ventures from VW, the effort in Brasil was establishing facilities in size, capacity and investment au pair Wolfsburg had at the same time.
Any stories you guys might know of from other facilities/installations?
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli

Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13355 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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So..., who was bashing VW Brazil? & why are you defending their honor 45+ years after the fact? _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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novetti Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| So..., who was bashing VW Brazil? & why are you defending their honor 45+ years after the fact? |
I am not defending them, just clarifying with facts rumours and unfounded crap people say out there that VWB was putting a lesser quality product during the beetle/splitscreen era than the main business in Wolfsburg was doing. In fact the product was a very close match during that timeframe in my opinion.
The tech/obsolesce gap existed between Wolfsburg and foreign ventures (specially VWB) starting from mid 70's onwards, and accelerated in the 80's, and that is a fact.
I never was employed by VW however worked in the place servicing them. Have many friends who did. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead

Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 17949 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:40 am Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| So..., who was bashing VW Brazil? & why are you defending their honor 45+ years after the fact? |
this is where the fight broke out
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=652697&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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| Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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| Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 6:52 am Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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Ahh, thanks skills. Novetti, while your post is informative, the original forum doesn't appear to be locked & it's completely out of context here (maybe it got moved). You might want to try posting your reply there. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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coad  Samba Scapegoat

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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| TDCTDI wrote: |
| Ahh, thanks skills. Novetti, while your post is informative, the original forum doesn't appear to be locked & it's completely out of context here (maybe it got moved). You might want to try posting your reply there. |
Nah, it's here because the man wants it here:
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Thanks for the information novetti - I was not aware of that and it's interesting.
I don't know if you have posted that elsewhere in the past but that would be interesting as it's own thread in "General" |
Back in the 70's and 80's my Father in Law worked with all the German automakers selling them the early generations of robots and "just in time" inventory systems. He always spoke highly of VW Brazil. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:13 am Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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I just read the original topic & saw where it was suggested that you post the info here, perhaps you could edit your post to lose the bitchiness. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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novetti Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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Nah... I want now someone with knowledge in the Puebla plant (mexico) to bring some stories!!
I heard a rumour (when I was there in MX) that an illegal bordello operated there hidden from the bosses (inside factory gates) for a period of time for some workers who might felt a oil change between a taco break?
Anyway there is a whole untapped encyclopaedia of stories behind the manufacturing operations that would be cool to hear.
A have a few more to share but I will stay quiet for the moment. |
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coad  Samba Scapegoat

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Posted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:57 pm Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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The only Puebla story I ever heard (again, from my father in law) was that he went to try to sell them an inventory management system that would make sure the red interior showed up on the line just as the red beetle shell was ready for it.
The VW guys were very polite and friendly, but at the end the plant manager took him aside and said, "look, we make XXX hundred beetles per day, and there's a 6 month wait list for every one of them. If we make red beetles, we sell red beetles. If we build yellow beetles we sell yellow beetles. Your system sounds great, but come back in 10 years, we might need it by then." |
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Slow 1200 Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 2:58 am Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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Nordhoff died in 68, just saying...  |
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Zundfolge1432  Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 4:21 am Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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| X2 nordoff dead in 1968 which was also their best year of sales worldwide over 420,000 units. From there numbers go down every year why? Japanese competition,weak yen making those cars cheaper and jap cars more modern with standard features unavailable on WW2 design VW. Also rising German mark against a shrinking US dollar made the VW more expensive. In my opinion VW died in 68 with nordoff. |
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Jon Schmid Samba Member
Joined: May 29, 2012 Posts: 2147 Location: Southern California
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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| skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
| TDCTDI wrote: |
| So..., who was bashing VW Brazil? & why are you defending their honor 45+ years after the fact? |
this is where the fight broke out |
Yeah, Yeah, Yeah-Yeah-Yeah
And the man in the back said everyone attack
And it turned into a ballroom blitz
And the girl in the corner said boy I want to warn you
It'll turn into a ballroom blitz
Ballroom blitz, ballroom blitz, ballroom blitz, ballroom blitz
Sorry, couldn't help myself. |
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novetti Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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| Slow 1200 wrote: |
Nordhoff died in 68, just saying...  |
Correct.
I was wrong. The VW president in 70' was Kurt Lotz. I thought was Norhoff still.
I edited the post to adjust that.
The president of the VWB was Rudolf Leiding when the fire happened.
This famous photo from the official Inauguration in Nov 1959 shows Brazillian president JK in the rear seat with Schultz-Wenk driving (VWB president of the time) and Nordhoff (VW global president) in the passenger seat.
Before anyone asks Convertibles were never a production model in Brasil, these were shipped from Germany specially for this event I believe. Aficionados in Brasil still wonder if they stayed in the country or were sent back to Germany. |
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Merlin Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Volkswagen Factory trivia, incidents, accidents, gossips, tales |
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Thanks for sharing, novetti.
It made for a fascinating read and has definitely educated me somewhat. _________________
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