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California Westy
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:01 pm    Post subject: Engine firewall seal Reply with quote

Ok here's my dumb question for 2007. I have 69 bus and upon doing some maintenance today I discovered the Engine Firewall Seal(over transmission) has shrunk up and has a large gap in it on one side.

I'd like to replace it but does the engine need to come out to replace it.

Yes I know the search engine is my friend but nothing came up on this subject.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you talking about the foam seal that circles the engine?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

68-71 bays did not use a foam seal. It is rubber.

http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=111813705A
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal Reply with quote

California Westy wrote:
Ok here's my dumb question for 2007. I have 69 bus and upon doing some maintenance today I discovered the Engine Firewall Seal(over transmission) has shrunk up and has a large gap in it on one side.

I'd like to replace it but does the engine need to come out to replace it.

Yes I know the search engine is my friend but nothing came up on this subject.

Thanks


Pretty sure hes talking about the seal around the gas tank firewall. I used good rubberized foam weather strip. Held up for more than a year now and looks great.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I replaced mine while the engine was out and so can't comment on how to do it any other way. What I will add is that the new seal I bought left a gap on both sides that didn't look right so I bought another one fom a different supplier and it was the same length. I wasn't real pleased with that but had been running with that gap for the last several years and forgot about it until now. The point is that a new seal might not look any different.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vanderbus,

It sounds as if you have a Type 1 firewall tin in your '70 Bay. The stock firewall tin for your bus has pieces added in the upper corners to give it a more square shape. If you have a doghouse shroud on your engine you will need the '71 Type 2 tin because it has the hole for the oil cooler's air exit.

California Westy,
Could this be your problem too? Check to see if there is a similiar gap on the other side.


For what it is worth, I would not want to run my bus with a gap in the firewall. The fan intake is only inches away and would seemingly gobble up hot air rising off the #3 and #1 Exhaust pipes, especially while sitting in traffic.

I hope this is helpful,
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It sounds as if you have a Type 1 firewall tin in your '70 Bay. The stock firewall tin for your bus has pieces added in the upper corners to give it a more square shape. If you have a doghouse shroud on your engine you will need the '71 Type 2 tin because it has the hole for the oil cooler's air exit.


That's not the gap I'm referring to. I have my stock 70 bus front tin and the seal fits up against this snug but appears to be between 1 and 2 inches too short leaving a gap at each corner. This is what I interpreted to be the original poster's concern. A quick look at several vendors shows the seal p/n as 111 813 741G, the same between a bug and a bus. Per the previous post, the bus seal should be longer and wonder if a few manufacturers are cutting these just right for a bug application. I'm curious if anyone else has experienced this and where they bought thier seal from that fits.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karl wrote:
68-71 bays did not use a foam seal. It is rubber.

http://www.busdepot.com/details.jsp?partnumber=111813705A


Really? That Stinks....I was feeling good about ordering one....Will the foam one work?
I just ordered the foam replacement seal. Looks like I may be returning it!
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

WTF? same seal for all uprights. rubber yes. gaps in the corners yes...sometimes. apron tin seal 111-705d is also the same and usually fills the gaps.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

420GOAT wrote:
WTF? same seal for all uprights. rubber yes. gaps in the corners yes...sometimes. apron tin seal 111-705d is also the same and usually fills the gaps.


So are you saying that all seals are the same? Rubber or Foam?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

firewall seal only comes in rubber. the foam is "custom" unless you have a type four motor from a later bus #411-225. yes pull the motor. youll work just as hard if you dont.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal Reply with quote

Hello all,
I pulled the firewall on my 74 westy with an eye to replacing the fuel hoses. In the process, a thin piece of foam fell off the bottom of the firewall. It looks like it is made of simple open cell foam. It is a little brittle but still somewhat squishy. Here are some pics.

Foam still intact and attached:

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Foam missing from bottom of firewall

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The missing piece of foam. Looks to be 7/16 wide x 3/16 thick

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I found this at the local HD. Size seems right but not sure if heat is a concern.
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Anyone else replace your firewall seal and what did you use?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal Reply with quote

I would use a bead of plumber's putty. I never liked the idea of foam, since it would be inflammable (what folks call "flammable" these days) and not really airtight anyways, and certainly not gasoline tight.

But, now that I think of it, I have never tested the plumber's putty with gasoline... Think
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal Reply with quote

jtauxe wrote:
I would use a bead of plumber's putty. I never liked the idea of foam, since it would be inflammable (what folks call "flammable" these days) and not really airtight anyways, and certainly not gasoline tight.

But, now that I think of it, I have never tested the plumber's putty with gasoline... Think


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