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California Westy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 174 Location: So California Desert
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 5:01 pm Post subject: Engine firewall seal |
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Ok here's my dumb question for 2007. I have 69 bus and upon doing some maintenance today I discovered the Engine Firewall Seal(over transmission) has shrunk up and has a large gap in it on one side.
I'd like to replace it but does the engine need to come out to replace it.
Yes I know the search engine is my friend but nothing came up on this subject.
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renobdarb Samba Member

Joined: September 13, 2005 Posts: 878 Location: Eastern Idaho
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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Are you talking about the foam seal that circles the engine? _________________ ----------
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Karl Samba Member

Joined: January 29, 2001 Posts: 6170 Location: Coos Bay, Oregon
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sluggo Samba Member

Joined: August 17, 2005 Posts: 946 Location: Portland, Or.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2007 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal |
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| California Westy wrote: |
Ok here's my dumb question for 2007. I have 69 bus and upon doing some maintenance today I discovered the Engine Firewall Seal(over transmission) has shrunk up and has a large gap in it on one side.
I'd like to replace it but does the engine need to come out to replace it.
Yes I know the search engine is my friend but nothing came up on this subject.
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Pretty sure hes talking about the seal around the gas tank firewall. I used good rubberized foam weather strip. Held up for more than a year now and looks great. _________________ '77 Sunroof Bus.
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VanderBus Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2005 Posts: 202 Location: Santa Paula, CA
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2007 9:05 am Post subject: |
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I replaced mine while the engine was out and so can't comment on how to do it any other way. What I will add is that the new seal I bought left a gap on both sides that didn't look right so I bought another one fom a different supplier and it was the same length. I wasn't real pleased with that but had been running with that gap for the last several years and forgot about it until now. The point is that a new seal might not look any different. _________________ 1969 Bug (in pieces)
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brenthughes Samba Member

Joined: February 13, 2007 Posts: 139
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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Vanderbus,
It sounds as if you have a Type 1 firewall tin in your '70 Bay. The stock firewall tin for your bus has pieces added in the upper corners to give it a more square shape. If you have a doghouse shroud on your engine you will need the '71 Type 2 tin because it has the hole for the oil cooler's air exit.
California Westy,
Could this be your problem too? Check to see if there is a similiar gap on the other side.
For what it is worth, I would not want to run my bus with a gap in the firewall. The fan intake is only inches away and would seemingly gobble up hot air rising off the #3 and #1 Exhaust pipes, especially while sitting in traffic.
I hope this is helpful,
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VanderBus Samba Member
Joined: April 26, 2005 Posts: 202 Location: Santa Paula, CA
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:24 am Post subject: |
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| It sounds as if you have a Type 1 firewall tin in your '70 Bay. The stock firewall tin for your bus has pieces added in the upper corners to give it a more square shape. If you have a doghouse shroud on your engine you will need the '71 Type 2 tin because it has the hole for the oil cooler's air exit. |
That's not the gap I'm referring to. I have my stock 70 bus front tin and the seal fits up against this snug but appears to be between 1 and 2 inches too short leaving a gap at each corner. This is what I interpreted to be the original poster's concern. A quick look at several vendors shows the seal p/n as 111 813 741G, the same between a bug and a bus. Per the previous post, the bus seal should be longer and wonder if a few manufacturers are cutting these just right for a bug application. I'm curious if anyone else has experienced this and where they bought thier seal from that fits. _________________ 1969 Bug (in pieces)
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panic_fan Samba Member

Joined: April 21, 2008 Posts: 714 Location: Mcdonough GA
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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Really? That Stinks....I was feeling good about ordering one....Will the foam one work?
I just ordered the foam replacement seal. Looks like I may be returning it! _________________ Rich
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420GOAT Samba Member

Joined: March 31, 2006 Posts: 3342 Location: Wilmington, CA on a nice quiet street but still in the 'hood
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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WTF? same seal for all uprights. rubber yes. gaps in the corners yes...sometimes. apron tin seal 111-705d is also the same and usually fills the gaps. _________________ once you realize im not impressed we will get along just fine |
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panic_fan Samba Member

Joined: April 21, 2008 Posts: 714 Location: Mcdonough GA
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| 420GOAT wrote: |
| WTF? same seal for all uprights. rubber yes. gaps in the corners yes...sometimes. apron tin seal 111-705d is also the same and usually fills the gaps. |
So are you saying that all seals are the same? Rubber or Foam? _________________ Rich
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420GOAT Samba Member

Joined: March 31, 2006 Posts: 3342 Location: Wilmington, CA on a nice quiet street but still in the 'hood
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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firewall seal only comes in rubber. the foam is "custom" unless you have a type four motor from a later bus #411-225. yes pull the motor. youll work just as hard if you dont. _________________ once you realize im not impressed we will get along just fine |
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ol'westy Samba Member
Joined: February 14, 2015 Posts: 42 Location: Landing, NJ
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal |
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Hello all,
I pulled the firewall on my 74 westy with an eye to replacing the fuel hoses. In the process, a thin piece of foam fell off the bottom of the firewall. It looks like it is made of simple open cell foam. It is a little brittle but still somewhat squishy. Here are some pics.
Foam still intact and attached:
Foam missing from bottom of firewall
The missing piece of foam. Looks to be 7/16 wide x 3/16 thick
I found this at the local HD. Size seems right but not sure if heat is a concern.
Anyone else replace your firewall seal and what did you use?
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jtauxe  Samba Member

Joined: September 30, 2004 Posts: 5980 Location: Los Alamos, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:12 pm Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal |
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I would use a bead of plumber's putty. I never liked the idea of foam, since it would be inflammable (what folks call "flammable" these days) and not really airtight anyways, and certainly not gasoline tight.
But, now that I think of it, I have never tested the plumber's putty with gasoline...  _________________ John
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42958 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2016 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Engine firewall seal |
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| jtauxe wrote: |
I would use a bead of plumber's putty. I never liked the idea of foam, since it would be inflammable (what folks call "flammable" these days) and not really airtight anyways, and certainly not gasoline tight.
But, now that I think of it, I have never tested the plumber's putty with gasoline...  |
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