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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 3:42 am    Post subject: Novice Converting 6 volt to 12 volt Reply with quote

I am considering buying a new engine for my bus (now 40 hp). I am currently 6 volt, and would probably go to 12 in the process. Does anyone have a link to a site that will show me what I need to do to convert. I plan on buying a turnkey motor, will i need a new or to modify my transmission? Is this somthing that I can do as a novice or would I be better off hiring someone?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is not much to it.
1. All bulbs
2. Starter and pilot bushing
3. Flywheel
4. Grind bellhousing out to accomidate larger 12v flywheel
5. Generator and regulator
6. coil
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is not much to it.
1. All bulbs
2. Starter and pilot bushing
3. Flywheel
4. Grind bellhousing out to accomidate larger 12v flywheel
5. Generator and regulator
6. coil



it's mostly just a matter of changing parts, but the flywheel/starter is a whole different issue. you can't just bolt on a 12V flywheel to a 6V crankshaft. there are shimming issues, and a 12V flywheel has an o-ring seal on it, and it will not bolt onto (too long) a 6V crankshaft. now if the 40hp somehow has a 12V crankshaft in it, then you're ok, but i don't think that will happen on a 40hp. you can keep the same flywheel and starter (6V) and run 12V through it. it will turn faster, but it will work. i'd say let that part alone and just install (and lubricate) a new starter bushing.
if you are going to buy a turnkey motor, then you'll be ok, but you will have to clearance the bellhousing as mentioned. and you will need a special starter bushing which is easliy available.

other things you would also need to change are:
the turn signal relay
headlight relay (if equipped)
generator STAND
generator pulley (6V pulley on a 12V generator will probably not line up properly)
battery
some kind of voltage drop or 12V armature conversion on the wiper motor


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I guess I did forget some stuff. The last 6 volt generator I swapped was the larger one so I forgot they had the small type before that. I didn't mention the 40hp/ 12v flywheel issue because he said he was building a new engine but I guess I should have. Thanks for straightening it out.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yet again: Sad

http://66.34.72.138/howto/v-convert.html

http://www.nls.net/mp/volks/htm/6v_12v.htm

http://www.type2.com/library/electris/wire6v12.htm
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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indeed.

anyway, i thought about it on the way home, and you also need to change (if applicable) the choke element on the carb to 12V, and electric idle and/or cut-off jets as well. and the generator strap.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2004 6:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must advice against retaining your 6 Volt starter. Eventually it's going to trash your flywheel. If you're doing things right, change the starter bushing on the bellhousing, and buy a new/used 12 Volt starter. Then get a grinder and go to work on the clearance issue. It's not too difficult. I used a 3" grinder from harbor freight. ($19.99) And it took about 15 minutes. I had an old case and crank. Installed a 12 volyt flywheel and checked the clearance that way. It made it a lot easier than dropping a built engine. I did it that way so i wouldn't grind too much off. And wear some sort of eye and nose protection. The dust is a pain in the rear. Good luck.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello and thanks,
I have been consulting my idiot book and your input, and so from what I understand that besides the easy stuff...light bulbs, flasher, etc what I will need to do is either replace my starter and grind the bellhousing (should a turnkey motor come with a 12v starter?) or replace the 12v flywheel with the 6v and keep my 6v starter which will work but eventually die but will be ok for a while. Bellhousing isnt in my book index, but am I guessing correctly that it is the housing that surrounds the flywheel? I figure the bellhousing is metal, How much needs to come off? (Forgive me for being stupid)

figuring 20 bucks for the grinder at Harbor Freight...(is this grinder a rotary tool?) and the bushing and light bulbs, flasher, and wiper motor. Am I calculating correctly that I will spend about 50-100 bucks beyond the motor to install it?

And will I be able to do this myself with Muir's and this forum's help?

-=dan=-

PS why dosent the bently manual have an index?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 11, 2004 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello and thanks,
I have been consulting my idiot book and your input, and so from what I understand that besides the easy stuff...light bulbs, flasher, etc what I will need to do is either replace my starter and grind the bellhousing (should a turnkey motor come with a 12v starter?) or replace the 12v flywheel with the 6v and keep my 6v starter which will work but eventually die but will be ok for a while. Bellhousing isnt in my book index, but am I guessing correctly that it is the housing that surrounds the flywheel? I figure the bellhousing is metal, How much needs to come off? (Forgive me for being stupid)

figuring 20 bucks for the grinder at Harbor Freight...(is this grinder a rotary tool?) and the bushing and light bulbs, flasher, and wiper motor. Am I calculating correctly that I will spend about 50-100 bucks beyond the motor to install it?

And will I be able to do this myself with Muir's and this forum's help?

-=dan=-

PS why dosent the bently manual have an index?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there are batterys out there that are 6-12 volt. you can run a 6 volt
stater from the 6 volt side and use the 12 v side for the rest of the
stuff. but not sure where to get them or how you would run the wires
to it for charging.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 12, 2004 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

you mean this?:

http://www.myclassiccar.com/MCCTV/2000Season/006108/tip006108.html

and

http://www.antiqueautobattery.com/prod011.htm

saw this a few years ago, and it looked interesting. the price is out there though, like $200+!! ouch.
the antique auto battery site also offers a 12v battery with a 6v accessory lead, so you can run a radio or something without burning it out. interesting, but i don't know if it's worth the expense.
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