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Stray Catalyst
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 Posted: Tue May 10, 2016 8:02 am Post subject: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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I noticed some wobble in the rear wheel, took it apart, replaced the outer bearing (the inner still appears intact). I'm reinstalling the axle, but I don't remember the spacer sticking this far out before I did this job...
... but nor do I remember if it wasn't that way. When I tried installing the wheel, I found that I couldn't tighten the big nut down far enough to use the cotter pin.
So, do I have the wrong bearing installed, or have I simply not bashed the axle enough to drive it back into position? I haven't installed the CV yet, so if that's the problem I can go use the persuasive hammer on it some more - but I've proven enough times that I can be stronger than a fastener or part when I'd have been better off being smarter, so I'd rather ask first!
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sodbuster
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| Posted: Wed May 11, 2016 11:48 am Post subject: Re: 69 Bus, Rear Bearing question |
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Try having someone turn the rear wheel on the opposite side of the bus while you gently tap the inner race back into place with a small flat tipped punch and a hammer. Everything being everything it should go back into place with little effort.
The outer rear wheel bearing is a roller type bearing and its inner race can ride out like this in the process of installation. Not uncommon. |
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Stray Catalyst
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| Posted: Thu May 12, 2016 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus, Rear Bearing question |
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Sodbuster: Turning the wheel on the opposite side won't have much effect on this side, as the axle (and CVs) is on my workbench. I'll try tapping in the inner race.
Kreemowheet: thank you! Lots of useful info for me there.
Tcash: I'll find the box and get the part number off it.
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sodbuster
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 7:51 am Post subject: Re: 69 Bus, Rear Bearing question |
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Sodbuster: Turning the wheel on the opposite side won't have much effect on this side, as the axle (and CVs) is on my workbench. I'll try tapping in the inner race.
Kreemowheet: thank you! Lots of useful info for me there.
Tcash: I'll find the box and get the part number off it. |
Then use a piece of tubing or pipe as a sleeve over the stub axle that will rest against the inner race of the bearing. Put two CV bolts into the stub axle flange 180 out from each other so it will be easier to slowly spin while you gently tap the inner race in place.
I emphasize spinning the stub while you do this to minimize the inner race hanging up on the flat sides of the bearing rollers while you are trying to get the inner race to seat.  |
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Stray Catalyst
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 8:13 am Post subject: T2 211 501 283 rear outer bearing |
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Bearing number is 394-54036-365. It's SKF.
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SGKent 
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:11 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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it is not right. Hitting it may damage the rollers/needles. Figure where it is hanging up.
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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| SGKent wrote: |
| it is not right. Hitting it may damage the rollers/needles. Figure where it is hanging up. |
if he tried to tighten it to line up the cotter pin it's dead anyway
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:37 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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So who knows the exact protrusion that spacer is supposed to have? Everybody realizes this is a '69 bus and the OP is talking about the outer spacer, not
the roller bearing inner race, eh? It looks "pretty close" to normal, but I don't have any early bay bearing parts on hand and don't know for sure. I don't
believe it's even possible for the early roller bearing to "hang up" like the later bearing inner race sometimes can.
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SGKent
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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| kreemoweet wrote: |
So who knows the exact protrusion that spacer is supposed to have? Everybody realizes this is a '69 bus and the OP is talking about the outer spacer, not
the roller bearing inner race, eh? It looks "pretty close" to normal, but I don't have any early bay bearing parts on hand and don't know for sure. I don't
believe it's even possible for the early roller bearing to "hang up" like the later bearing inner race sometimes can. |
my bad. I thought we were speaking of the outer race instead of the outer spacer. Was the inner spacer replaced?
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Tcash
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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| kreemoweet wrote: |
So who knows the exact protrusion that spacer is supposed to have? Everybody realizes this is a '69 bus and the OP is talking about the outer spacer, not
the roller bearing inner race, eh? It looks "pretty close" to normal, but I don't have any early bay bearing parts on hand and don't know for sure. I don't
believe it's even possible for the early roller bearing to "hang up" like the later bearing inner race sometimes can. |
| Stray Catalyst wrote: |
| When I tried installing the wheel, I found that I couldn't tighten the big nut down far enough to use the cotter pin. |
I do not ever remember the spacer ring sticking out that far. In reviewing Amskeptics article and the bentley, it appears to be protruding too far.
It is like the outer bearing is not pressed in far enough. The seal also is sitting proud.
thanks amskeptic
Also worth noting is the replacement bearing is a one piece design. Unlike the oe that had a removable inner section that allows you to remove the Inner spacer sleeve.
If the outer bearing was pressed in without aligning the Inner spacer. The Inner spacer could have become cocked not allowing the outer bearing to be pressed in enough.
Just a thought
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SGKent
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 6:45 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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the reason I asked about the inner spacer being replaced is that the new ones are longer and thicker.
new vs old
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Tcash
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 8:06 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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1.27 mm longer.
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| Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 9:33 pm Post subject: Re: 69 Bus Rear Outer Bearing 211 501 283 Question |
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Well, it must be said that evidently SOME "new-style" inner spacers are longer than the earlier, thinner spacers, 'cuz I have some of each and
they are exactly the same length. All "VW" branded parts, too. Maybe the thick spacers I found in my '71, acquired in 1995, have been modified?
I do not understand how the OP can have this problem, except by using wrong parts, or incorrect installation. His outer bearing must have been installed correctly, or he could not have gotten the circlip back on. Could it be he mixed up the inner and outer spacers? That would probably mean his expensive new
outer bearing was destroyed when he torqued the axle nut! Bummer!
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