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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 11:08 am    Post subject: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

i need some help sorting an engine shake/idle problem. when i adjust carb and set timing it will run great and idle mostly okay (just some engine shakiness), but after i let it run for a few more minutes, the idle ends up being low and the engine is struggling to stay running (around 700rpm). And so i resort to running a higher idle, but then get a problem with the engine speed rising and falling as seen in the video... i checked for vacuum leaks and found nothing. any ideas for what could be causing the engine shakiness and idle issues? if you need more info or another video from a different idle or anything let me know! thank you all in advance

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1600dp
34pict3
original bosch 034 w new points/condenser
new plugs and wires
timing set to 7.5btdc at 900rpm




https://youtu.be/NzfZtmWiOzM
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

You have a vacuum leak at the back of the carb. Just above and to the right of the dime sized plug on the rear (rear meaning rear of the car) of the carb. Usually there's a brass connector sticking out at that location. Yours is missing. Plug that hole and see if things improve.

Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

67rustavenger wrote:
You have a vacuum leak at the back of the carb. Just above and to the right of the dime sized plug on the rear (rear meaning rear of the car) of the carb. Usually there's a brass connector sticking out at that location. Yours is missing. Plug that hole and see if things improve.

Good Luck.


Something I just found out is that hole may be an undrilled vacuum port for a non autostick car. According to alot of pics I've been looking at today and SB001, that is where the autostick control valve would get its vacuum from
I also at first glance thought it was an unplugged leak,(and it may still be)
The only way I wouldknow is to see if it leaks vacuum while running
With all that being said, I had a 74 torino that idled the same way as the op's. It turned out to be a severely worn breaker plate in the distributor, not saying thats the case here
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

I think there's a bit of confusion as to what I posted regarding that drilling for the autostick port.
I am fairly certain (although not 100% sure) that at a point ALL the Solex carburetor body molds had that provision for the extra autostick port, but it was actually only drilled out if it was going on an autotick. If the car was a stock 4 speed, the port wasn't actually drilled out--it's still solid inside that hole. I could be totally wrong though.
The absolute best way to be sure is to look and see if there is a modifcation number either on the float bowl or on the base flange of the carburetor (for example my 30 PICT 3 has the "227-1" modification number on it.) If it was indeed an autostick carburetor, it would have a modification state number. Here is a list of a few modifcation state #s for autosticks (with the correct matching autostick distributors and proper jet sizes):


VW 227-1 30PICT-3 113905205AD/ 113905205AE Bug 1600 SP 8/69 112.5 140z 65 Autostick
VW 281-1 34PICT-3 113905205AH BUG 1600 1971 130 75z 60 USA Autostick
VW 281-2 34PICT-3 113908205AH BUG 1600 1972 127.5 75z 60 USA Autostick
VW 281-3 34PICT-3 113908205AH BUG 1600 1972 127.5 75z 55 California autostick
VW 281-4 34PICT-3 113908205AH BUG 1600 1973 127.5 75z 55 USA Autostick (Generator accelerator pump)
VW 281-5 34PICT-3 1139008205AH BUG 1600 1973 127.5 75z USA Autostick
VW 343-4 34PICT-3 113908205AH BUG 1600 EARLY/MID 1973 127.5 75z 55 California autostick
VW 428-1 34PICT-3 043905205A BUG 1600 1974 127.5 75z 55 USA Autostick
VW 430-1 34PICT-4 043905205A BUG 1600 1974 127.5 60z 55 California autostick
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:16 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

More often than not the behaviour your engine is exhibiting is due to a problem with the idle mixture. The caveat here is carburetor adjustments should always be the very last thing you perform when tuning, and only after the engine is fully warmed up. Before going any farther you should do a proper valve lash adjustment, verify spark plugs are gapped to .028", adjust dwell, and adjust the timing.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:36 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

just to clarify, the port you were looking it is closed- not drilled out or anything. Inside is just solid. and as for the carb adjustment, that's what i've done. points and timing have been done, but the carb will not adjust the car to where i want it. Also discovered a major problem was the the #1 plug wire boot had spark coming out and hitting the timing light clamp causing a loss of spark. moved it further up the wire and it helped with the variation of RPM, but i still cannot get the car to idle super smoothly under 950 while still running a good mixture. my process

-turn mixture screw 10 out, and 5 out for idle as a primary setting
- start car let it warm up
-tuen in the mixture screw until rpm drops, then turn out until highest rpm
-adjust idle screw to the idle i want....

after i do that last step, i can tell the car runs differently, like it's even more rich than it was before i dropped down the rpms. not sure if that helps but just some extra info. any carb procedure tips?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

Adjusting a two screw carb:
http://www.vw-resource.com/34pict3.html
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

I suggest clean and then lubricate inside the dizzy, especially the breaker plate as someone already said.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 10:14 am    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

mukluk wrote:
Adjusting a two screw carb:
http://www.vw-resource.com/34pict3.html


Is this for any two screw carb? My 30 PICT 3 has two adjustable screws as well (volume and bypass) but the writeup here seems to be saying the 34 PICT 3 is the only one that uses this procedure:

Now to set the idle. This is done by using the Bypass Screw. The Bypass Screw is larger than the Volume Control Screw and is located a little above and to the left of the Volume Screw.
Note: Again, the idle speed is NOT set with the Fast Idle Adjuster on the top of the throttle arm as it is on the older 28 and 30 series carburetors - though its name (Fast Idle Adjuster) would lead you to think that its used to set the idle.


I am assuming it's just talking about the 28 series and 30 PICT 1 and 2 carbs but just want to clarify.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:06 am    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

sb001 wrote:
Is this for any two screw carb? My 30 PICT 3 has two adjustable screws as well (volume and bypass)...


Yep, applies to the 30 PICT 3 as well. Take note of what the linked page says right below the green header:

"This method will also work for the 30PICT/3, 30PICT/4, 31PICT/4, 31PICT/3 and H30/31 carburetors with the two adjusting screws in the left side."
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:36 pm    Post subject: Re: yet another problem (video) Reply with quote

jacksonp32 wrote:
Also discovered a major problem was the the #1 plug wire boot had spark coming out and hitting the timing light clamp causing a loss of spark.

Have you fixed this? This cannot be ignored and is likely the root of your idle problems.
Spark plug wires have VERY thick insulation. The path of least resistance for the spark generated at the ignition coil should be thru the plug wires and out the spark plug electrodes. There should NEVER be any sparks jumping from the plug wires to ground ANYWHERE. Such sparks typically indicate a crack in the insulation around the core of the wire or at the connectors/boots.

What brand of spark plug wires did you buy? How have you gapped the spark plugs?
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