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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 1:17 pm    Post subject: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

My left deck lid hinge broke off of my deck lid a few years ago and I recently got around to getting it fixed. I had a body shop weld a new hinge on that I ordered from Wolfsburgh West. Unfortunately, the right one had broken off and was rewelded on before I owned it. It is slightly bent and I think it is causing me to have alignment issues. I have tried adjusting the hinges all the way up and down. I've also tired adjusting the U-brackets forwards and back. No matter what I do I can't get the deck lid to raise up enough to not hit the bumper. I've read that you can use washers/shims to add some adjustment or bend the u-brackets. I just wanted to ask for some advice before I try to bend the brackets or hinges to see if anyone knew of anything else I could do. I have searched through the forum, but I can't seem to find anything similar to my situation.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

From the pictures, it actually appears to be closing fairly evenly. The drivers side brackets needs to move towards the front of the car.

It's hard to describe in writing, but the 4 bolts (2 per side) on the diagonal portion of the bracket, which are slotted, are used to align the deck lid with the body (put them in the same plane)...they do nothing to close the gap. The gap is opened or closed by moving the brackets in or out

Is the issue about hitting the bumper? Adjust your bumper out...it looks like it is too close
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

Your right side bracket sags a little compared to the left- but I agree with txoval- your problem may be bumper bracket related. Have you replaced those lately with non-German ones? Does your blade bumper have all four of the proper reinforcement brackets?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

I have both the driver's and passenger side brackets adjusted fully toward the front of the car. The hinges are adjusted full up with no more room for adjustment either. I figured adjusting the u-brackets wouldn't help close the gap, but I wanted to give anything a try to see if it helped.

The car came with those bumpers and brackets, but I assume that the brackets are not German. The bumper does have the reinforcement brackets though. I have taken the bumper completely off and with the deck lid closed there is still a huge gap. I didn't know that you could adjust the bumper and I didn't notice any slots that would allow for adjustments.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

Here's a comparison of OG brackets vs. cheaper aftermarkets:

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I discovered this after asking myself why the PO of my '62 ragtop immediately began bashing his deck lid when his car came out of paint. He told me the body shop installed all the bumpers/brackets; boards; interior; headlights; etc. I spent months undoing all the aftermarket crap and returning near everything to OG on my car.
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I wonder what the nut looks like.



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

I used aftermarket brackets on my '61 and had to drill new holes because I could not close my deck lid. Same problem. X2 on the bumper alignment
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

Take a pic of where it is at all full close...we can try to help from there.

If you have a wide gap...have to figure out how to move the brackets forward
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:30 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

I unbolted the left side of the bumper to be able to pull it out enough so I could shut the deck lid. Here's some views of it fully shut. The left side has about a 1/2 inch gap and the right side is a full inch.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 6:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

Drivers side is real close. Unfortunately, like I said above, you have to move the brackets towards the front of the car to fix it.

You'll have to trim the bracket where it's hitting the rear firewall and possibly open up the slots more for more adjustment.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

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Those hinge mounting brackets, or at least the right side, looks very bent!
How do they look from a side view?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

Blitz, you're right, the passenger side bracket is bent way down, which would widen the gap
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 6:52 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

ANYTHING with hinges . . . the pins MUST be inline!!
If the pins do not line up, do not be surprised when something (like yer hood) breaks!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

txoval wrote:
Blitz, you're right, the passenger side bracket is bent way down, which would widen the gap


I won't let it hurt my feelings (from my sagging right side bracket comment yesterday..) Cool

You are absolutely right about the hinge pins! Very easy to stress the areas bordering that crazy square plate weld job. The 50 YO metal will tear like crepe paper.
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I wonder what the nut looks like.



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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

You're looking at it all wrong... You just need a bigger carb because your car is now equipped with custom deck lid standoffs! 😂
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

The right hinge is pretty bent. I wonder if I could heat it up and straighten it up with a mallet.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 6:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

I would go ahead and remove both so you can work on it next to one that's straight(er). You could also experiment with shims first- to see what you are really facing for the re-bend.

With it being a boxed-steel unit- I'd bet you have to reverse the force that created the bend in order to straighten it. Pounding in my amateur bodyman brain tells me it will simply rebend- but not necessarily the correct way. Or worse, it will but without the correct outcome.

Nobody here will accost you if you simply find a good replacement for that thing. (The hinge bracket- not the whole car).. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 2:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

I may try shims first. I'm reluctant to cut the hinges off and start over. Where would be the best place to put the shims?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 4:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

bloodbath wrote:
I'm reluctant to cut the hinges off and start over.

Confused ?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Confused

The "hinges" are welded to your hood!
The "hinge brackets" are bolted to the body!
The "hinges" get bolted to the "hinge brackets"!

Your "hinge bracket(s)" are bent! They must be UNBOLTED from the body and replaced or straightened!

If the hinges were welded to the hood askew . . . that might need to be addressed also!
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

bloodbath wrote:
I may try shims first. I'm reluctant to cut the hinges off and start over. Where would be the best place to put the shims?


You might loosen the bolts that attach the hinge to the bracket- and slip shims in there until it is level with the left side- back bolt only?. I'd raise it until the bolts just hold on- or replace them with longer bolts if need be. Again- this is just to see how much work the metal will be required based on shim height. This is a bit more like a typical body fitment procedure before sending a car to the paint booth. Ideally, fussing around here will give you enough latitude with the hinge welds that further work there will not be needed.

With the hinges unbolted, and the brackets off- check to make sure you can hold the deck lid up and it "closes" against the opening with evening gapping all around. If it is "high" in the middle, and does not close the gap tightly along the top- the hinges have caused damage to the deck lid already (I have that issue with my avatar beetle).

If it were in my garage- I'd plan on opening the holes on the brackets (where they bolt to the car) to allow more tolerance- and get myself longer bolts and washers to accommodate. Then with my mighty gun show- those bolts would never again require service.
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I wonder what the nut looks like.



'62 L390 151, '62 L469 117, '63 L380 113, '64 L87 311, '65 L512 265, '65 L31 SO-42, '66 L360 251, '68 L30k 141, '71 L12 113, '74 ORG 181

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2017 6:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Deck Lid Adjustment Issues Reply with quote

This is a common issue, The hinge bracket (the part that's bolted to the back of the car) needs to be bent upward. Just unbolt your deck lid and use a large crescent wrench slid down over the deck lid bolt hole to gently bend the brackets upward. Once your deck lid fits the body correctly then move on to the bumper brackets. Don't forget the factory bumper spacers that are often missing.
This is how it should look when properly aligned.
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