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BigBob83
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 Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:21 am Post subject: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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Hey,
First post here, looking for some help/advice with my van. I've got a 72 crossover bay and the sliding door is being a bit of a slag. Basically the thing will lock from the inside but when I try with the key in the lock it's having none of it. Anyone got any idea where to start looking?
I'm not massively keen on stripping the mechanism down if that can be avoided as it pops nicely from the body of the van, closes nice and firm but the only way I can lock the van is by putting my arm through from the passenger door before locking that. It would be nice to lock it from the outside.
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Xevin 
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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How long have you had the bus or "Van" ?  Is it a camper? If I remember correctly. If you lock from inside. You can not unlock from outside. Take a look in owners manual. Hopefully it's something simple. Manuals can be found on The Samba for reference.
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BigBob83
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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| Yeah I've owned it a while now, it's a fixer upper. Looked at the Haynes and workshop manuals online, it will lock from the inside but won't do anything g with the key from the outside regardless of if it's locked or not. |
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pioneer1
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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did the key ever work? If so try some graphite in the key hole for lubrication
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BigBob83
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:25 am Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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Not since I owned it, but the previous owner let the maintenance get away from him.
Just stripped the handle out and it's seized good and proper. Looks like the previous owner has taken a pair of pliers to it.... Guess I'm buying a new one.
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aeromech
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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The inside lock is separate from the key lock. It's there so you can lock yourself inside.
This is easy. Go inside and remove the philips head screw that holds the inside open/close handle in place. Then the inside handle comes off. Now go outside and pull out the outside handle. It will slide out of the door. There's a metal collar between the handle and the door. Remove that collar by sliding it off. Now put the key in the lock and try turning it. You should see an oval dead bolt slide out and in. This deadbolt is supposed to line up with a cutout in the collar. So at this point you should be able to see the problem. Either the key is wrong for the lock or the collar was installed backwards.
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Xevin
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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| If I remember correctly. If you lock from inside. You can not unlock from outside. |
That's not the way mine works. I'm pretty sure you can unlock it with a key even when it is locked from the inside. Now you have me doubting myself. I may have to check.
I checked. Yes I can unlock the sliding door with the key when the inside lock has been put on. |
Intriguing. Just verified. Mine will not unlock from outside when locked from the inside. Per the manual. Remember 1972 handle works a bit different then a later bay.
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hd55
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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Wow - thank you aeromech! I just checked this and my collar was backwards - now my lock ('71 transporter) works perfectly 
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This is easy. Go inside and remove the philips head screw that holds the inside open/close handle in place. Then the inside handle comes off. Now go outside and pull out the outside handle. It will slide out of the door. There's a metal collar between the handle and the door. Remove that collar by sliding it off. Now put the key in the lock and try turning it. You should see an oval dead bolt slide out and in. This deadbolt is supposed to line up with a cutout in the collar. So at this point you should be able to see the problem. Either the key is wrong for the lock or the collar was installed backwards. |
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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| Globespotter wrote: |
| Xevin wrote: |
| If I remember correctly. If you lock from inside. You can not unlock from outside. |
That's not the way mine works. I'm pretty sure you can unlock it with a key even when it is locked from the inside. Now you have me doubting myself. I may have to check.
I checked. Yes I can unlock the sliding door with the key when the inside lock has been put on. |
Intriguing. Just verified. Mine will not unlock from outside when locked from the inside. Per the manual. Remember 1972 handle works a bit different then a later bay. |
68-73 has dual locks, one on the inner mechanism that you can't unlock/lock from the outside and a separate deadbolt in the handle that can only be worked from the outside, it's like a police car back there if you use the lock on the handle.
74+ has the separate lock cylinder beside the handle and can be locked/unlocked from inside or outside.
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aeromech
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2017 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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Happy to help
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BigBob83
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2017 8:50 am Post subject: Re: Crossover bay sliding door won't lock |
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| aeromech wrote: |
The inside lock is separate from the key lock. It's there so you can lock yourself inside.
This is easy. Go inside and remove the philips head screw that holds the inside open/close handle in place. Then the inside handle comes off. Now go outside and pull out the outside handle. It will slide out of the door. There's a metal collar between the handle and the door. Remove that collar by sliding it off. Now put the key in the lock and try turning it. You should see an oval dead bolt slide out and in. This deadbolt is supposed to line up with a cutout in the collar. So at this point you should be able to see the problem. Either the key is wrong for the lock or the collar was installed backwards. |
Cheers mate, unfortunately the idiot who owned it before has mashed up the collar good and proper. It's totally f**ked! |
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