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travis1488
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 Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 7:32 pm Post subject: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| I just installed a narrowed bj beam with adjusters. With the jamb nuts off the set screw is all the way at the bottom. When you let the jack down the adjusters dont move and will not adjust. Any ideas? Thanks |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 3:24 am Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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Make sure that you have it assembled correctly. There should be two hidden grub screws that secure the spring packs to the adjuster clamps, then they are rotated 90°, then the clamping stud is installed.
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riverart
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| I had the same thing happen to me. I use a lever to make small adjustments and tighten the nut. I have the Puma style adjuster. |
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rcooled
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| Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| travis1488 wrote: |
| I just installed a narrowed bj beam with adjusters. |
What type of adjusters do you have?
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travis1488
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:14 am Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| Avis style |
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rcooled
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| travis1488 wrote: |
| With the jamb nuts off the set screw is all the way at the bottom. When you let the jack down the adjusters don't move and will not adjust. |
With the car off the jack and the wheels on the ground, the grub (set) screws will normally be pushed to the bottom of their slots if the adjuster teeth are disengaged. This would be the fully-lowered position of the beam. To adjust it up, the car needs to be jacked up to get the front wheels off the ground. Insert the longest 6mm Allen wrench you can find into the screws and use it to lever the adjusters up or down as needed. Make sure the screws are fully tightened into the torsion leaf collar before trying to adjust them.
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riverart
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| Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:34 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| Well said. |
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travis1488
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| Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| My adjuster the part that goes inside the beam only has a whole for one grub screw. All the adjusters i have saw online have 2 ,like in the video above. Has anyone saw this or are my adjusters not made right. |
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rcooled
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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The torsion leaf collar inside the beam should have only one threaded hole for the grub screw. The axle tubes have (or should have) slots added that match the slots in the welded-on adjuster segment. The grub screw is able to move up & down in that slot, which then rotates the collar and ultimately alters the position of the trailing arms to raise or lower the front end. The grub screws press into a recess in the torsion leaf stack to hold the collar and leaves firmly together...make sure they're good & tight.
Yours look like this? That silver-colored piece in the top adjuster (at the bottom of the slot) is the torsion leaf collar seen thru the slot cut into the axle tube.
Pic from the gallery
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travis1488
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| Thats what mine look like but when they are all the way down the beam is about 5 in off the ground. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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Adjusters for kingpin beams have one threaded hole on the collar, adjusters for ball joint beams have two, 90° from each other, one for the grub screw, the other for the clamping stud.
Stolen from VOLKSWAGNUT’s gallery
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travis1488
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:47 am Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| i spun mine around and there is only one hole in the part that the adjuster screw goes. Before i put the spindles on they moved freely but when all put back together the will not move. The adjuster screw is all the way at the bottom and can not be rotated while on the jack stand. I've been told there should be one hole and there should be two. If it does not have the second hole will that cause it not to adjust? Surely it should adj less than 5 inches from the ground because that's where its at. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:14 am Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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Is this a home built beam or a store bought beam?
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travis1488
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:42 am Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| Store bought |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:13 am Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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Send it back.
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riverart
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 9:36 am Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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This is what mine looks like before I loosened the adjuster. The adjusters are now all the way down and it's hard to raise the car - but I want it lowered so whatever. The car rides good. Hope this helps. |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| riverart wrote: |
This is what mine looks like before I loosened the adjuster. The adjusters are now all the way down and it's hard to raise the car - but I want it lowered so whatever. The car rides good. Hope this helps. |
The easiest way to raise the car back up is to jack up the front of the car, remove the front shocks, & loosen the adjusters. The weight of the wheels will cause the adjusters to travel all the way back up. You can raise or lower the wheels to adjust the clamp position, tighten the clamp, install the shocks, & then lower the car back down.
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riverart
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| Yeah. Mine don't drop when up in the air and shocks off. All new ball joints and tie rods - maybe they are holding it up. It almost seems like the adjuster is binding inside of the beam. Either way, I'm done with it. |
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rcooled
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| travis1488 wrote: |
| The adjuster screw is all the way at the bottom and can not be rotated while on the jack stand. |
If the screw’s already at the bottom of the slot, the front end won’t go any lower.
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| Surely it should adj less than 5 inches from the ground because that's where its at. |
Where exactly are you measuring this 5” ? If the lower edge of the front apron or the beam’s lower tube is 5” off the ground, that’s pretty low...the beam’s probably at the limit of its adjustment. If you wanna go lower, you’ll need drop spindles.
FWIW, Avis adjusters come in two flavors...one that adjusts the front end lower than stock height, and one that adjusts it higher (for off-roaders, Baja Bugs, etc.). Be sure that the beam’s right for your particular setup.
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| Yeah. Mine don't drop when up in the air and shocks off. |
The upper trailing arms could be contacting the rubber stops which would keep the wheels from dropping any lower. If that’s the case, you’ll need to remove the stops, adjust the beam as needed, then drop the car back on its wheels and reinstall the stops.
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travis1488
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| Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: 67 balljoint adjustable beam |
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| 5in is from the bottom of the beam and I am running drop spindles. |
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