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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Plastidip the ugly away Reply with quote

Our van has been getting crustier and crustier, worse each winter. There's been some repaint that's failed and some damage to the right rear fender lip. Here's some pics of the ugly
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Time to do something,
Paint? So expensive to do right and that rust on the kitchen seam is real, with the flanges eaten away real body work will be needed. I did like the job a poster here had done in Tijuana, but it seemed key to that was to have a place in socal to disassemble and reasessemble. Maybe later.

Bedliner? Super tough but limits future choices. Maybe later.

I went with rust converter and aerosol plastidip. I figure it will buy some time and I can peel off the coating later and see what is happening underneath with the rust and decide then how to proceed.

One more pic for now, these are my test patches that were on for a few months. The chunks from the tan patch were intentionally picked at by me.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

I am considering dip myself but knowing what I know about Rust I would fix before dipping.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

The rust in those seams and window perimeters needs to be dealt with prior to any coating. Period.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

If you dip it with rust you will just be covering the rust. The rust will continue to expand but now with a covering that will trap moisture.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 10:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

Well done.

Don't worry about the rust worriers. They'd have every Vanagon on the planet stripped, cut and welded before applying a $15K paint job and parking it in the garage. These vans are every bit as fun with a bit of rust covered with lipstick (or not) as they are after a $15K restorative paint job.

And the rust advances very slowly on the west coast so the restoration job five years down the road isn't much worse than doing it today. In the meantime you get to sit on a bunch of cash (or time) and use the van for what it's designed to do, play in the hills.

If there's one thing the samba over-worries it's seam rust. It's not hurting anyone (under carriage rust is a different story but it's a different bird and far less of an issue in the west).
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

You should be able to get a good paint job for a few K. I found someone to paint my box and fix some spots on it for 1.5k Find someone reputable that works out of his/her garage.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

Thanks for the responses, I think the range got covered pretty well!

Meet my body workers, 10:30 at night in a gas station in Morgan Hill, used a porta-power and some hammer and dollie and shaped the fender lip for a hundred dollars, as well as pushing and pulling a couple of dents in the door.
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So I picked the ugly out of the seams and applied plastidip brand rust converter,
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Some seam sealer, reputable brand, single stage,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:14 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

Looks good. I need one of my fender lips reshaped as well before I monstaliner mine. If you dig their work, mine sharing their contact info??
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:16 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

Wipe down with acetone, mask and start spraying. The weather was marvelous these 2 days I sprayed, 20 minutes between coats was plenty,
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The bit under the front door is the 1st coat, recommended to be very thin,

some more coats, I think 5 or 6 in all,
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I've always envied the two-tone paint jobs,

Skipping ahead to the other side here's the kitchen seam treated and gooped, sure to elicit some criticism,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:20 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

bokonon42 wrote:
Looks good. I need one of my fender lips reshaped as well before I monstaliner mine. If you dig their work, mine sharing their contact info??
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:21 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

While the full restoration threads are fantastic, I also really enjoy seeing this kind of work! It just goes to show that there's more than one way to skin a cat (or Vanagon, as the case may be.) Can't wait to see how it turns out.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

So on to the ugly front, Yes the desirable thing would be to remove the windshield, cut out the offended metal and weld in donor lip. If I hold myself to that standard nothing will happen and the van will be even uglier next spring,
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The rust converter instructions say not to apply to paint but that's not practical across this expanse,
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On the paint the converter leaves a little opaque residue that will wipe off with acetone and some rubbing. On the front I left the residue, we'll see,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:42 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

Looks like I tried to upload too many pics at once and time to get ready for work, one more for now and I'll show the final later,
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Overspray removes easily with a little acetone, the trick to getting a clean edge is peeling the tape just after the final spray almost simultaneous as the last coat melts the prior and the tape will lift off while the dip is wet,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:47 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

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Meet my body workers, 10:30 at night in a gas station in Morgan Hill, used a porta-power and some hammer and dollie and shaped the fender lip for a hundred dollars, as well as pushing and pulling a couple of dents in the door.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

I'm sure the people in the Gas Station really appreciate it as well.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:32 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

16CV's wrote:
I'm sure the people in the Gas Station really appreciate it as well.

Stacy


Didn't see any reaction around us, the wife and kid sleeping in the van were surprised though! We were on our way to Baja, I had a pocketful of cash, so what the heck. Funny was he said $100 to fix the fender, then he got into the slider and did some paintless manipulation on a couple of dents and says $200. I smiled and said $100 is enough, and he says $100 is enough. About 15 minutes,
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

16CV's wrote:
I'm sure the people in the Gas Station really appreciate it as well.


I had been guessing that it IS the people in the gas station...
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

I thought I had a pic of where I worked rust converter under the windshield gasket but don't see it. It turns into a black oxide that looks and feels stable.
Without further ado,
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Kicking the can down the road, I can peel the dip off in a year or 2 and see what's going on. If rust is slowed at all I don't think there will be much more work to repair than if I were to do it right now. I had one can of the camo brown and bought 6 more and ended up with a can left over. 6-pack of cans was about $50, seam sealer about $10. Acetone and masking tape were on hand.

I dinged it up a bit installing a new antennae, I just held a piece of paper up to mask the antennae and spritzed a bit on the repair. It melts into itself and doesn't show at all. Overspray wipes off easily with acetone.

For bonus points I razor bladed peeling clear coat and put in new utility boxes. It's not an embarrassment at this point, we'll see what it looks like next spring and beyond!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 8:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

Much better!

Now use a "cleaner wax" on the rest of the paint to remove the chalky oxidation layer, it will shine up more. And a cleaner on the white top and I'd say you have another 5 years looking good.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:31 am    Post subject: Re: Plastidip the ugly away, Reply with quote

Thisíll never work.





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