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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 6:29 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Before the engine was rebuilt, I cleaned and painted all the engine tin and seals, replaced all the fuel lines (yes, even the evap system), cleaned out the tank and replaced the injectors.
What's a 'wideband'? _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7561 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2021 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Check every FI part individually.
Look up the part number to be sure it's the right part.
Numbers and test procedures are both in the Bentley.
If you're going to use your 50-year-old wiring harness it better be a good one.
There are also procedures for leak-testing all of the components for air leaks caused by wear and old age.
Search 'smoke machine'..
This is beyond the scope of the Bentley because these things were new and/or available new.
Like the S-Boot, TB bushings, dipstick boot and.. On and on.
I like my Innovate wideband.
There are cheaper ones.
Often you can borrow or rent one just to get tuned.
https://www.diyautotune.com/brand/innovate-motorsp...MPEALw_wcB
Ever hear some dummy say something like "so easy to work on"
"Motor comes out with only four bolts"
"simple and basic"
They have no clue... Today, you have to pay your dues. _________________ Bus Motor Build
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:35 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Not much of the FI system was on the motor when I bought it, so most of it (and all the rubber components) are brand new. I will have to look into the leak test.
The bus runs well and doesn't smoke. When it starts, it typically stalls once right away, then can start and will run fine. It's the fuel economy that seems to be off the most. If I recall correctly, I may not have changed out the cold-start injector. Could these symptoms be related to that?
Also, I believe I have to change my brake master as there's leakage there. when I pump the brakes, sometimes I can almost stall it out.
The fuel/air gauge sounds like a good investment, for any vehicle. _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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So, I was hoping to get a little help from the builder, but with the pandemic, it looks like I'm going to have to tackle the engine tuning myself
Since it's rebuild, it's had a pretty steady leak. I know everyone says they all leak, but I was hoping that this particular leak might be something that I can take care of. Here are some pics, from underneath, closer to the driver's side:
I took these a while ago, so if more reference is needed, I will take some more. _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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KentABQ Samba Member
Joined: September 11, 2016 Posts: 2406 Location: Albuquerque NM
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:01 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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A common source of oil leak is from a bad temperature switch.
They may seal well at the threads, but oil will spray out around the electrical connection.
Cross your fingers this is the source of your leak.
If so, it's a cheap and easy fix.
As for your question about the CSV, it only sprays for a couple seconds when you first crank the cold engine. _________________ -Kent-
1976 Riviera, 1.8l FI chrome yellow VAN - "Chloe"
"I must say, how can you be in a bad mood driving this vehicle full of vibrant color.
Cars of today are so bland in comparison. It's like driving a celebration!" ---WildIdea
Bus ownership via emoticons:
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orwell84 Samba Member
Joined: May 14, 2007 Posts: 2539 Location: Plattsburgh, New York
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Clatter is right about the tuning. It’s not hard to get it Togo down the road. And it will seem like it runs “well enough”. But often it can run a lot better and a better tune plays a big part in engine longevity. |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51171 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:03 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Goach2 wrote: |
Also, I believe I have to change my brake master as there's leakage there. when I pump the brakes, sometimes I can almost stall it out.. |
How about if you just hold the pedal down?, same stalling?, or steady idle after a small drop?
Everything you describe says it's a bit too lean, like you still have a vacuum leak somewhere. The brake booster passes air while in transit, but should stop when the pedal stops moving, even if it's pushed, the added air can make an already lean engine run extra crappy. Same with the cold starts, too lean and it can't stay running when cold.
As already mentioned look up high for that oil leak, pressure switch or breather tower gasket are often to blame, wash it off with degreaser and look for the source. You can also remove the fan and run it for 3-4 minutes in the driveway to watch the back of the case it it comes to it. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
Please don't PM technical questions, ask your problem in public so everyone can play along. If you think it's too stupid post it here
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TrollFromDownBelow Samba Member
Joined: January 04, 2005 Posts: 414 Location: Metro Detroit
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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busdaddy wrote: |
Everything you describe says it's a bit too lean, like you still have a vacuum leak somewhere. The brake booster passes air while in transit, but should stop when the pedal stops moving, even if it's pushed, the added air can make an already lean engine run extra crappy. |
Yes, that. If you pump the breaks rapidly does the idle drop? That's a sign it is running too lean. That's my down-n-dirty test. You either have vacuum leak, or the AFM needs to be adjusted. _________________ 1976 Westy (aka Tripod)
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51171 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Mon Mar 01, 2021 7:14 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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TrollFromDownBelow wrote: |
busdaddy wrote: |
Everything you describe says it's a bit too lean, like you still have a vacuum leak somewhere. The brake booster passes air while in transit, but should stop when the pedal stops moving, even if it's pushed, the added air can make an already lean engine run extra crappy. |
Yes, that. If you pump the breaks rapidly does the idle drop? That's a sign it is running too lean. That's my down-n-dirty test. You either have vacuum leak, or the AFM needs to be adjusted. |
Not always, the idle should be slightly on the side of lean already, a drop from brake pumping is normal, if it rises it's too rich. AFM adjustment should only be done with a gas analizer, and only after all vacuum leaks are ruled out. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:32 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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It's a little buried presently, but perhaps this weekend I can get it out and do some troubleshooting.
Pumping the brakes for sure can stall it out, but I believe holding the pedal down allows the RPMs to rise back up again.
For vacuum leak, do I just start pulling hoses off, one at a time, to see if any do not affect the idle? Are there any in particular I should pay attention to?
I will check the temperature switch for leaks and clean up the oil to see where the fresh stuff leaks out of.
After the engine was rebuilt, it was just dropped back (or lifted) into the bay and driven up onto the trailer for the trip home. No other adjustments have been made... yet. _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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crownline Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 593 Location: Northwoods of WI
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 6:52 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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I would get rid of that oil pump and put in an original. I had the same pump you have and got an original from mofoco in Wisconsin no more leaks. _________________ 1972 Bus 1700 cc Single Carb. But not a progressive.
Barelymuvin
Wish I still had the ones I got rid of.
"It"s got some dings and dents and neither of us is going to SEMA."(Update, I went to SEMA in 2019 but the Bus stayed home)
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 7:56 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Thanks crownline, I'll add that to the list for the next time the engine is out. _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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busdaddy Samba Member
Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 51171 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Tue Mar 02, 2021 10:57 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Nice, I like the idea of the old paint sprayer, and I have one of those laying around! _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:40 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Going to attempt a full tune-up for the first time. I was thinking about picking up something like this:
It's older, but has everything I could need. Will this be sufficient? _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:17 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Tune-up step 1 complete, adjusted the valves tonight. Most were tight, so much needed adjustment and I'm curious to see how it improves performance (tomorrow). Nice and clean inside:
Also, how do not crimp/bend such a thin gauge?
Next, warm up, oil/filter change and basket clean out. _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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Wildthings Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:49 pm Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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One would usually use a 0.006" steel feeler gauge to adjust the valves. Brass feeler gauge are included in some sets for adjusting the clearances for magnetic pickups and such. |
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crownline Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 593 Location: Northwoods of WI
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:39 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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Remember if you take the taco plate off when you put it back on Only tourque it to 9 ft lbs.
As clean as those heads look I would leave it alone. _________________ 1972 Bus 1700 cc Single Carb. But not a progressive.
Barelymuvin
Wish I still had the ones I got rid of.
"It"s got some dings and dents and neither of us is going to SEMA."(Update, I went to SEMA in 2019 but the Bus stayed home)
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Goach2 Samba Member
Joined: November 20, 2017 Posts: 522 Location: Niagara Region, Ontario
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:34 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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This is the first oil change after a complete rebuild, shouldn't the screen be checked for filings? _________________ 1977 FI Westfalia |
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crownline Samba Member
Joined: September 10, 2010 Posts: 593 Location: Northwoods of WI
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:36 am Post subject: Re: /New-to-Me Engine, what's missing |
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You can check. I think the filter will catch anything. Just be sure to not over tighten that when putting it back on. _________________ 1972 Bus 1700 cc Single Carb. But not a progressive.
Barelymuvin
Wish I still had the ones I got rid of.
"It"s got some dings and dents and neither of us is going to SEMA."(Update, I went to SEMA in 2019 but the Bus stayed home)
[url=http://www.vw-mplate.com/mplate-8446.png]Click to view image[/URL] |
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