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amishman
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 Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:47 pm Post subject: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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With Spring here and having a day off today, I finally am starting front brakes on my 1967 Westy. She is up on the lift and this AM I removed all the components on the front driver side. She has been pulling left when braking so figured hose shot or wheel cylinders shot.
Here is a video showing the brakes in action with the drum off. Appears the top Cylinder is bad. Barely moves.
Drum looks good with no big scratches and the shoes actually look good but to be safe, will put in the new ones and save these for a parts box I can take if I ever take a long trip.
Will put new wheel cylinders all the way around too as well as the hose.
Will keep the cylinders as they are VW branded so maybe rebuilt them one day.
Hate throwing stuff away. 
Taking a brake (pun intended) for lunch and then off to spray brake cleaner and clean all the parts.
At my slug speed I hope to at least get the driver side done today.
TJ
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Some pictures of my progress...
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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And I know I should get the drums resurfaced but... would just delay me getting the bus back on the road... and tired of starting a project and it take too long to get done... I have to take advantage of time off when I can and get as much done as I can.
I am almost tempted since I am not resurfacing the drum, to re-use the shoes. They sure have tons of brake pad left, maybe almost the thickness of the new ones I have.
They don't look oily so would think with a little sand paper scuffing, they could serve many years.
Anyone else here, seeing the condition of the shoes I have and the thickness, fairly even ware, just re-use them for now....
Shoes are not expensive and I do have new ones but...
TJ
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swharris
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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Yes, reuse. Scuff the glaze off them and if the drums don't have any fingernail catching grooves in them, sand them up good and put the back together.
I can't wait to get a lift in my shop and not have to do brakes on my knees anymore. Boy, your Puck reminds me of one I looked at in about 2004/5, though it was original paint/canvas. All of 3k and I passed...<sigh!> Never bring your father along to look at a car/trailer, they will not be helpful. Haha.
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amishman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:15 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| swharris wrote: |
Yes, reuse. Scuff the glaze off them and if the drums don't have any fingernail catching grooves in them, sand them up good and put the back together.
Boy, I can't wait to get a lift in my shop and not have to do brakes on my knees anymore. Boy, your Puck reminds me of one I looked at in about 2004/5, though it was original paint/canvas. All of 3k and I passed...<sigh!> |
Thanks for the advice.
Actually, what I have in the right side of my small 20x20 main shop (not as nice as your nice big shop I see) is a Puck replica, now made by a company in San Diego. Called a Meerkat. They used to be abour $13K to $15K range but seems all the rage are the smaller campers like teardrops so the Meerkat now sells for $17. I have owned mine since 2015 so was able to buy a tad cheaper then. I did own an actual Puck... sold it... stupid!!! but needed $$. Then found the Meerkat and I purchased one. 
http://littleguytrailers.com/meerkat/
Yeh the lift is nice. Makes working on cars so much nicer.
TJ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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if you are going to sand them, you might as well also chamfer them.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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You already know the drill:
Best: Replace all wheel cylinders, master cylinder, all four rubber brake hoses and all new brake shoes with new quality brand components. Then have the brake drums lightly turned/re-surfaced if below the "wear limit" by a professional to re-surface them. Then have the new shoes shaped or arced to the shape of each drum contact surface. Hardly anyone does this last step with their cars as a old-school shop that can re-arc the shoes to match the drums are hard to find nowadays. Like Mandrake said: chamfer the ends of each shoe, easy to do.
Next best: Same as above, but skip the re-arcing step.
Next step down: Same as above except thoroughly clean drums/lightly sand or scuff the contact surfaces. Clean all of the surfaces of your decent looking used shoes and definitely sand the contact surfaces of the shoes with a long strip of 180 grit sandpaper, then the same with 250 grit (wear protective gear!).
I'm not going any farther than the above...
Nice shop, very cool to have a lift! I wish I could have one, but my 7-car garage in under my house and my wife would seriously object to me lifting my VW's up through the ceiling and into our master bedroom.
Looks like "swharris" has us all beat with that Taj Mahal of a garage! Who would need a house with that garage!
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amishman
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:22 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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OK, ran into a roadblock and I ask for assistance...
Went to clean and inspect the bearings but can't get the inner one out.
I was expecting a "black" rubber grease sell that I could pop out using a pair of pliers and pop it out but I am not seeing it.
Close-up of where I would expect the black rubber seal is the attached image that shows a VW logo stamped on there. It is shiny silver.... and appears to be metal.
Is this some different kind of seal they used and can still be popped out?
Any advice would be great!
Attached images of the VW pn# for the drum in question and the VW stamped silver area I was expecting a black grease seal.
TJ
** btw... I am guessing here but maybe the silver area is a seal that once was black and soft but with previous owner mechanic over tightening the wheel bearing nuts (as they are bad... see attached beaten up bearing, thrust washer, and nuts), it polished the material silver and is now hard as a rock? Any advice on how to pop it out so I don't damage the bearing under there... I am buying a new one anyway but....
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| amishman wrote: |
Close-up of where I would expect the black rubber seal is the attached image that shows a VW logo stamped on there. It is shiny silver.... and appears to be metal.
Is this some different kind of seal they used and can still be popped out?
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Yes that type of OG seal can be popped out and back in without a problem. Can use the wood or rubber handle of a hammer to push against the bearing and thusly push the seal out with the bearing.
You should not resurface the drum unless needed. Not much material to just machine out just for the heck of it. To do so with out need means you go thru drums that much faster. See the workshop manual for when you need to.
Do take the time to open up the old wheel cylinders to clean them out, inspect, and use a brake cylinder paste to keep them from rusting up to the point that the pistons are stuck in them and the rust ruins the bores. Sil-glyde from NAPA works well.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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Do take the time to open up the old wheel cylinders to clean them out, inspect, and use a brake cylinder paste to keep them from rusting up to the point that the pistons are stuck in them and the rust ruins the bores. Sil-glyde from NAPA works well. |
I have never done that before but as long as someone here or youtube has a write-up.. I am game.
Thanks for the advice.... will try your rubber handle trick tomorrow.
My guess the bearing is toast... since the outer one is warped and the hardware as shown in the pic I took shows they been beaten fairly good. But I will keep the inner set if it is any good... as backup. Figure an extra $12 or whatever (x2) may be prudent.
Was cool that since I did a full brake job on my past Thing before... I had a couple star adjusters laying around... and so far 1 was already bad so was nice to have a spare handy. I suppose by brake job #3 and onward I will start having a small supply of parts handy.
I had no Thrust Washer handy either so local store I ordered some. I did have the outer bearing though. hehe
TJ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:16 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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Do take the time to open up the old wheel cylinders to clean them out, inspect, and use a brake cylinder paste to keep them from rusting up to the point that the pistons are stuck in them and the rust ruins the bores. Sil-glyde from NAPA works well. |
I have never done that before but as long as someone here or youtube has a write-up.. I am game.
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You can access the " Look, Listen, Do It Better - Dealer Level Training Manuals " thru the "Technical" button at upper right. The Brakes Repairs is the one that will show you how. Also the original VW dealer workshop manual, covers that and much much more:
https://www.amazon.com/Volkswagen-Transporter-Work...hop+manual
You can find those for a lot less $$ in used shape on line or out at the swap meets.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2018 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| amishman wrote: |
Do take the time to open up the old wheel cylinders to clean them out, inspect, and use a brake cylinder paste to keep them from rusting up to the point that the pistons are stuck in them and the rust ruins the bores. Sil-glyde from NAPA works well. |
I have never done that before but as long as someone here or youtube has a write-up.. I am game.
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You can access the " Look, Listen, Do It Better - Dealer Level Training Manuals " thru the "Technical" button at upper right. The Brakes Repairs is the one that will show you how. Also the original VW dealer workshop manual, covers that and much much more:
https://www.amazon.com/Volkswagen-Transporter-Work...hop+manual
You can find those for a lot less $$ in used shape on line or out at the swap meets. |
Yeh, can't afford that right now... wish I could. I do have the up to 62 copy... guessing some stuff will cross reference but not all.
TJ
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 8:53 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| To get the seal out put the drum back on the spindle, install 1 of the nuts fully threaded on spindle, pull drum off catching the bearing on the nut. this will pop the seal out with the bearing. Leqarned from autoshop teacher in school. Remember when school taught you things you could use in everyday life. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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Cool that someone is making them. 17k  |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| BulliBill wrote: |
You already know the drill:
Looks like "swharris" has us all beat with that Taj Mahal of a garage! Who would need a house with that garage!
Bill |
lol Bill. I've waited a long time for a decent place to work, but there is a bunch more to do to make it really usable. The house remodel comes before finishing the shop, so the lift will have to wait for now. |
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amishman
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| Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:21 pm Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| swharris wrote: |
| BulliBill wrote: |
You already know the drill:
Looks like "swharris" has us all beat with that Taj Mahal of a garage! Who would need a house with that garage!
Bill |
lol Bill. I've waited a long time for a decent place to work, but there is a bunch more to do to make it really usable. The house remodel comes before finishing the shop, so the lift will have to wait for now. |
My shop is a metal building I had professionally built but unique in that it has the 12 pitch roof, so it does not look like an average ordinary pre-fab metal building. I wanted one that was tall enough for a 2nd story.
But it had to be small for where it was to be installed, and for money I could spend... so it is 20x20. Just enough to park two VWs but it does get old bumping your head on shit as there is not enough room going down between cars, scooting by lift, etc....
Pissed me off one day... I had to scoot my the 67 Bus and my back hit the rubber door protector that is screwed into the side double doors that I ripped it right off screw and all. Have to fix that still.
So 24x24 would have been nicer but I am proud of my small 20x20. Since then I added a 10x20 to the side of it where I park my FJ.
TJ
Even though small in stature, that front garage door is 9' tall, and with a mount that takes it real close to the ceiling, I get almost that full 9' to bring stuff in... even when stuff is on a rack as an example
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:33 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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Wow, those left thread nuts for the 67 driver side (left) are not cheap. $8.20 each from my closest VW specialist that has them in stock. Ouch...
I suppose I could use the ones I took off but they are boogered up in my opinion, and the whole spiel was over-tightened by previous owner so the bearings and thrust washer also boogered up.
Figured I better play it safe.
tj
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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For future reference, bay window spindle nuts will fit late split. They have an allen bolt through the side to provide locking action, so no lock plate necessary and only one nut required per side.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:53 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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Well keep the old parts for spares, they look fine.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:56 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Well keep the old parts for spares, they look fine. |
Yeh, planned on it. 
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| Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:57 am Post subject: Re: 1967 Westy Brakework Underway |
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| coolerthanelvis wrote: |
| For future reference, bay window spindle nuts will fit late split. They have an allen bolt through the side to provide locking action, so no lock plate necessary and only one nut required per side. |
Cool, good to know!
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