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crankbait09 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 10:52 am Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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ya, I'd agree with that. I certainly didn't think that it would be off that much.
I shouldn't complain, but now I can proceed. _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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Dangermouse Samba Member
Joined: November 23, 2005 Posts: 1266 Location: Beautiful New Zealand
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Check that the preheat tube is clear on your new old manifold. That's one advantage of an aftermarket part, if you can get it to fit; the tubes are clear. On an original part the tubes are more likely to be blocked up with carbon and rust and you need that tube to be free flowing. _________________ Do not follow me, for I may not lead. Do not lead me, for I may not follow. Do not walk beside me either; actually just bugger off and stand over there will you. |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2016 Posts: 1328 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Ya, the tubes are all clear. The seller cleared them for me 😁 _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2016 Posts: 1328 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:29 am Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Next issue.
I prematurely tightened down the manifold, and when it came time to install the muffler, obviously the manifold needed to be loosened in order to do so. As I loosened the manifold, I was loosening the nut and as it unscrewed, I couldn't figure out why the nut location was not changing. But it was loosening. Come to find out, the stud was coming out of the head. The stud is pretty gnarled, and I'm not sure why.The second stud on this head has a very slight jiggle to it, but the nut came off that one. The other head set of studs were flawless and everything came off as expected.
Here are pictures of the head and the damaged stud.
QUESTION #1: how do I get new studs? Assuming they get installed using the jam nut procedure?
QUESTION #2: why would this have happened? It seemed the nuts went on smoothly.
I inspected the gaskets that were in place, and it looked to be "crushed" evenly all the way around.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24827 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:40 am Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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crankbait09 wrote: |
QUESTION #1: how do I get new studs? Assuming they get installed using the jam nut procedure?
QUESTION #2: why would this have happened? It seemed the nuts went on smoothly.
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#1. Any fastener supply shop, or local hardware store like ACE, or do a search online for that size, or even by the VW part number.
#2. Looks like it was over torqued, so the threads were stripped off the stud. Only supposed to be 5 Ft. Lbs. torque used. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2016 Posts: 1328 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 11:52 am Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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wait, you can seriously buy those studs to replace those? I figured it would have been a specialty item, that would be hard to come by, that was going to cost an arm and a leg.
well, that over torque could be the reason...easily. Since it is impossible for me to get a torque wrench on it, I wrenched it super tight to make sure the manifold was sealing tightly.
if i am seeing it right, the stud i need is a N144013 (M6x31) - for some reason it shows an "X" in the type and engine model it will fit. thats based off the engine parts list. _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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67rustavenger Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2015 Posts: 9832 Location: Oregon
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Yes. Nothing special about those intake manifold studs.
Go to Ace Hardware and get another. Maybe two. I always over buy so I have spares. They likely cost around $3.99 each.
Just be careful with the new ones. You just need to crush the intake manifold gasket. Not pull the stud through the manifold.
You're likely going to need a new set of intake gaskets. When you reinstall the intake manifold.
If you don't have any spares. PM me. I'll mail you a new set for nothing. I have several sets.
Good Luck. _________________ I have learned over the years.
Cheap parts are gonna disappoint you.
Buy Once, Cry Once!
There's never enough time to do it right the first time. But there's always enough time to do it thrice.
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24827 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Next time tighten down one of the easy to reach fasteners with a torque wrench. Then using an open or closed (the latter is preferred) wrench to loosen the fastener about 1/6 to 1/2 turn after noting where the starting point you loosened it from. Then tighten the fastener, and feel how much pressure it takes with your finger tips to get the fastener back to the same tightened location. Your hand should be pretty well calibrated for at least the next few minutes...
Yes, a good quality stud will do the job, or buy a length of all thread, cut to length, and file a chamfer on each end, to do the job.
If you want to spend more $$:
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=vw+N144013&t=canonical&ia=web _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2016 Posts: 1328 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 12:56 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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I did find a pack of 10 of those studs on ebay for $9.50. Who knows when I'll eff it up again
https://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Stud-Pack-939M0631-N1...1438.l2649
Why is the center of those studs bare, meaning no threads? What's the reason? _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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crankbait09 wrote: |
Why is the center of those studs bare, meaning no threads? What's the reason? |
So when you install such you can tell easily where the center is and not thread it in too far. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2016 Posts: 1328 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:08 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
crankbait09 wrote: |
Why is the center of those studs bare, meaning no threads? What's the reason? |
So when you install such you can tell easily where the center is and not thread it in too far. |
so you want the center of the stud to be at the top of the hole, even if it goes in further? (just thinking) _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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crankbait09 wrote: |
so you want the center of the stud to be at the top of the hole, even if it goes in further? (just thinking) |
Center would be fine, but with that blank space, stud end in the head will be ever so slightly below center. You do not want to damage the head threads with that blank spot, and the blank helps to keep the stud from going in too far when putting on the nut, if the threaded hole is not a blind hole. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2018 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Eric&Barb wrote: |
crankbait09 wrote: |
so you want the center of the stud to be at the top of the hole, even if it goes in further? (just thinking) |
Center would be fine, but with that blank space, stud end in the head will be ever so slightly below center. You do not want to damage the head threads with that blank spot, and the blank helps to keep the stud from going in too far when putting on the nut, if the threaded hole is not a blind hole. |
gotcha. thanks _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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another question.
I got the muffler put back on, and tightened everything up.
I noticed where the heater boxes meet the muffler, that there is a gap. On both sides. It seems to be ironic that everything lined up, but yet I have gaps. Now I do have the "clamps" on each side, but what exactly do they clamp on? I don't have pictures of how it looked when I removed them months ago.
Here is a picture of the gap I am referring to:
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24827 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:54 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Clamp on the top of the HE and the bottom of the heater bubble of the muffler. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2016 Posts: 1328 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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so the clamp covers that gap?
Why would their not be a fitting, or why was it not made to join together in some form or fashion? _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:13 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Because the clamp is the fitting. _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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gt1953 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13856 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:16 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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That is correct...the wide clamp fills the gap between the bottom of the clamshell and top of the heater box. It also allows you to remove the muffler separately from the heater box or visa versa. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
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crankbait09 Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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Thanks Eric and gt1953 _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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crankbait09 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 29, 2018 4:29 pm Post subject: Re: My first engine removal........questions |
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When installing the thermostat bracket, I notice that the bracket mounting hole is oblong, which tells me that you can alter the position from lower to higher.
Is there a correct position this bracket should be in? (higher/centered/lower) How do you determine the exact location? _________________ 1963 Ragtop |
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