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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 9:07 am    Post subject: Pulling a bus by towbar - long distance Reply with quote

I'm getting ready to pull my panel from Oklahoma to Colorado with this handy-dandy towbar.

Anyone done this for a long distance? Any suggestions or warnings?

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 10:41 am    Post subject: Tow bar Reply with quote

Suggestions warnings? Yes. Don't. Search this forum and you will come across stories and pics that will make you cringe. You will also read about other folks having great success and no problems having done what you are contemplating doing. Sorta kinda got make that decision yourself.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have towed buses over 1200 miles with my towbar, in a single trip nonstop towing. I probbaly have 5k miles with my towbar, as long as all tires are the same size they usually tow pretty straight. I have also put a tire ontop of my towbar below the bus to take some weight off the wheels to make a bus tow straight.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1200 mile tow, with a tire ontop of the bar.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any tow bar I have tried absolutely sucked at any speeds under 25 mph. It help to strap the steering wheel too so it has some tension on it.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been using one for years. Never had a problem. They jump a little on slow short turns, but other than that, no problemo.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I still want to see this tire under over over roger victor huh what towbar up close.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Tow bar Reply with quote

Brokenbus wrote:
Suggestions warnings? Yes. Don't. Search this forum and you will come across stories and pics that will make you cringe. You will also read about other folks having great success and no problems having done what you are contemplating doing. Sorta kinda got make that decision yourself.


"Don't" leads the OP to believe you had a bad experience, please tell. The rest of your post has merit, but the disasters are found more with other apparatus and speeding.

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Any tow bar I have tried absolutely sucked at any speeds under 25 mph. It helps to strap the steering wheel too so it has some tension on it.

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Not sure what kind of bracing that seemingly converted beetle bar has under the bus, but I have folded more than one beetle tow bar at the curve, but they were both unusual circumstances. My RK#14 is the bomb proof (thank you Richard Kimbrough).


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Make sure you are covered insurance wise just incase something goes wrong.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Tow bar Reply with quote

kombisutra wrote:
Brokenbus wrote:
Suggestions warnings? Yes. Don't. Search this forum and you will come across stories and pics that will make you cringe. You will also read about other folks having great success and no problems having done what you are contemplating doing. Sorta kinda got make that decision yourself.


Fear monger. Back up your "Don't" statement with personal experience. The rest of your post has merit, but the disasters are found more with other apparatus.

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Any tow bar I have tried absolutely sucked at any speeds under 25 mph. It helps to strap the steering wheel too so it has some tension on it.

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Not sure what kind of bracing that seemingly converted beetle bar has under the bus, but I have folded more than one beetle tow bar at the curve, but they were both unusual circumstances. My RK#14 is the bomb proof (thank you Richard Kimbrough).


Ok kombisutra, my personal experience is having a tow bar break at a weld point causing damage to both the tow vehicle and bus. Fortunately it happened at a low speed pulling out of a gas station but if it had happened at highway speed??? These buses below were being pulled with only 2 wheels of the bus on the ground let alone all 4. Take your chance with a tow bar or dolly. You probably will come out fine, If however your bus becomes toast because you didn't put it on a proper car trailer, still no problem. Just go to your local VW dealership and order you another. I am sure the insurance company will happily oblige your wise decisions as well. I have no personal stake in the matter. Just hate to see 1 less bus on the road, regardless of the reason.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:04 pm    Post subject: Re: Tow bar Reply with quote

kombisutra wrote:
Brokenbus wrote:
Suggestions warnings? Yes. Don't. Search this forum and you will come across stories and pics that will make you cringe. You will also read about other folks having great success and no problems having done what you are contemplating doing. Sorta kinda got make that decision yourself.


"Don't" leads the OP to believe you had a bad experience, please tell. The rest of your post has merit, but the disasters are found more with other apparatus and speeding.

sharpstick wrote:
It helps to strap the steering wheel too so it has some tension on it.

X2

Not sure what kind of bracing that seemingly converted beetle bar has under the bus, but I have folded more than one beetle tow bar at the curve, both under unusual circumstances. My RK#14 is the bomb proof final tow bar (thank you Richard Kimbrough).


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a set of magnetic tow lights for the back of the bus and wire them up to the tow vehicle. This will keep Johnny Law off your back and let the drivers behind you know what the tow vehicle is doing.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Copy that BB, no offense. As I said, I had two fold on me as well, so we can agree that a good tow bar is important as they take some serious horse power. On the other hand, I have not seen any picture of tow bar accident yet, and these unfortunate examples are what happens when using a Tow Dolly.

I've had buses start to build a slow oscillation over 60mph on a Tow Bar, but was always able to arrest it by slowing down.

I've had a front tire blow on a Tow Bar and almost flip the bus, but still, no problem.

I've had shit inside the cab fall and kick the lever into gear, thus, turning the engine in second gear at up to 65mph.

I've had faulty steering dampeners allow the wheels to go lock to lock at slow speed in attempts to break a bus off a Tow Bar. As was pointed out, tie the steering wheel off and you'll never have that problem, only some skidding around the tighter turns. This also removes the possible oscillation at speed.

I've had engine-less buses blow their input shafts out not knowing that wiring a clutch disk on to them to arrest the rotation would prevent that.

However, I've had no problems with the towability design and concept of flat towing buses, just related issues. When those Tow Dolly images first hit the net, I was pretty mortified. Never have I used a Tow Dolly... and never will.

My challenge to your quote was in reference to the absence of your bad experiences with tow bars since you didn't use citation while damning all of the rest of us Tow Bar users to the padded room. Citing your experiences, it's clear we share that same experience with feeble bars.

I'll stand by for a first report about a bus that was damaged by going out of control on a Tow Bar. I'm sure somebody's had an accident, but I've just never heard of one.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

quartermilecamel wrote:
I still want to see this tire under over over roger victor huh what towbar up close.


look at the pic I posted, Its Jeremy built bar, but with mis match tires on a bus, the bus tends to swing side to side.

What I have done is while the the bus is hooked up to the bar and tow vehicle. Is jack up the bus and slide a tire on top of the bar, then lower the bus down on to it, steers straight as an arrow!!

I also did this when I got a flat, I took the tires off the front of the bus and place one ontop of the bar and towed the bus with just the two rear wheels on. I have a pic somewhere.
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I usually put the tire farther back, under the frame rails
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I still want to see this tire under over over roger victor huh what towbar up close.


I also did this when I got a flat, I took the tires off the front of the bus and place one ontop of the bar and towed the bus with just the two rear wheels on. I have a pic somewhere.


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 2:16 pm    Post subject: tow bar Reply with quote

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Copy that BB, no offense. As I said, I had two fold on me as well, so we can agree that a good tow bar is important as they take some serious horse power. On the other hand, I have not seen any picture of tow bar accident yet, and these unfortunate examples are what happens when using a Tow Dolly.

I've had buses start to build a slow oscillation over 60mph on a Tow Bar, but was always able to arrest it by slowing down.

I've had a front tire blow on a Tow Bar and almost flip the bus, but still, no problem.

No other problems though. When those Dolly images first hit the net, I was pretty mortified. Never have I used a Tow Dolly... and never will.

My challenge to your quote was in reference to your bad experiences with tow bars and apparently we share that same experience. I'll stand by for a first report about a bus that was damaged by going out of control on a Tow Bar.


The tow bar that broke on me was not like the one in this initial post. I was alone when it happened, out of state physically and in a state of panic emotionally as well as stuck in traffic. Snapping pictures was the last thing on my mind. What did I do? I frantically unhooked the broken tow bar (a heavy duty looking home made one that I was assured "worked great for me many times" ). Drove the tow vehicle a to closed gas station a short distance away. Then I pushed the 63 SC by myself to the same empty gas station. I called a Uhaul dealer and rented a tow DOLLY Sad . Picked up the rental dolly and drove back to the empty gas station finding the single cab still parked and not stolen Very Happy .The bus was non operable and I couldn't push it onto the dolly myself so I called AAA and told them I needed a jump. When AAA arrived I convinced the guy to just help me push the single cab onto the dolly. The next 800 miles I drove home looking into the rear view mirror more than I did looking at the road ahead of me as I was so shaken from the whole ordeal and did not trust that dolly anymore than I trusted my judgement after what had just happened. I did buy a nice tow bar since and have used it on short trips but on a cross country trip last year I rented a regular car trailer with brakes and though my MPGs sucked I felt at ease for 3000 miles. I mentioned my broken tow bar in an earlier thread. That's why I suggested searching the forums earlier in this post so whoever is contemplating towing a bus have as much knowledge up front prior to making a decision as not everyone chimes in on a new post after already telling their story in an older thread. Happy and safe travels!!
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 3:12 pm    Post subject: tow bar Reply with quote

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I usually put the tire farther back, under the frame rails


Very clever. I had to look at this picture 3 times before figuring it out. I thinks I get dumber by the day.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:49 pm    Post subject: towing Reply with quote

I vote for towing it on a trailer. I have hauled VW cars and busses for many thousands of miles on a trailer with no problem. I have professional tow bars for both bugs and busses that I will use on short hauls around town, but never out on the highway at speed. Have never personally had a problem with a flat tow, but have heard too many horror stories to try it. I know things can go wrong with a trailer haul as well, but the probability of a problem with a flat tow is much higher IMO.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 10, 2011 7:44 pm    Post subject: Re: tow bar Reply with quote

Brokenbus wrote:
kombisutra wrote:
Copy that BB, no offense. As I said, I had two fold on me as well, so we can agree that a good tow bar is important as they take some serious horse power. On the other hand, I have not seen any picture of tow bar accident yet, and these unfortunate examples are what happens when using a Tow Dolly.

I've had buses start to build a slow oscillation over 60mph on a Tow Bar, but was always able to arrest it by slowing down.

I've had a front tire blow on a Tow Bar and almost flip the bus, but still, no problem.

No other problems though. When those Dolly images first hit the net, I was pretty mortified. Never have I used a Tow Dolly... and never will.

My challenge to your quote was in reference to your bad experiences with tow bars and apparently we share that same experience. I'll stand by for a first report about a bus that was damaged by going out of control on a Tow Bar.


The tow bar that broke on me was not like the one in this initial post. I was alone when it happened, out of state physically and in a state of panic emotionally as well as stuck in traffic. Snapping pictures was the last thing on my mind. What did I do? I frantically unhooked the broken tow bar (a heavy duty looking home made one that I was assured "worked great for me many times" ). Drove the tow vehicle a to closed gas station a short distance away. Then I pushed the 63 SC by myself to the same empty gas station. I called a Uhaul dealer and rented a tow DOLLY Sad . Picked up the rental dolly and drove back to the empty gas station finding the single cab still parked and not stolen Very Happy .The bus was non operable and I couldn't push it onto the dolly myself so I called AAA and told them I needed a jump. When AAA arrived I convinced the guy to just help me push the single cab onto the dolly. The next 800 miles I drove home looking into the rear view mirror more than I did looking at the road ahead of me as I was so shaken from the whole ordeal and did not trust that dolly anymore than I trusted my judgement after what had just happened. I did buy a nice tow bar since and have used it on short trips but on a cross country trip last year I rented a regular car trailer with brakes and though my MPGs sucked I felt at ease for 3000 miles. I mentioned my broken tow bar in an earlier thread. That's why I suggested searching the forums earlier in this post so whoever is contemplating towing a bus have as much knowledge up front prior to making a decision as not everyone chimes in on a new post after already telling their story in an older thread. Happy and safe travels!!



This makes perfect sense to me...



I have warned against such things in the past for similar reasons.

Found here. Cool

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Impressive. This is the first towed bus fuckup I've ever seen. .............





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