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PostPosted: Mon Nov 18, 2019 11:56 am    Post subject: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

Does anybody have a source for these?

Working with a friend, we've added a tach & coolant temp gauge to the cluster of his engine-swapped '81 Adventurewagen. Used a cut-down JAMMA edge to mate with the factory plug for the warning lights and fuel gauge,and would like to use some of the otherwise unused pins for the tach and coolant temp gauge signals for neatness and ease of use if possible.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 1:42 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

No, those particular spring pins are no longer available anywhere. What you can do however is find a junkyard van and cut the connector from 6 inches from the back of the seat belt dash warning light connector and use those pins because they are the same. Or if you don't care about your own seatbelt warning light, you can take them from there and splice them into your application. Don't forget to cap off the cut wires.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:28 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

What enegine are u installing?
If subie what terminals are u using for tach and temp on subie harness?
I may have an extra 14 pin (with short leads)
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

https://www.brickwerks.co.uk/t3-parts/electrical/t...panel.html

I was also able to order them through a VW dealer a couple years back.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

Engine that went in is an ABA block with an early GTI big-valve head, installed with diesel Vanagon carrier bars, oil pan and bellhousing.

Thanks for the Brickwerks link, that gives me a part number and some clues -- I didn't even know where to start looking for this, TBH.

More digging.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:40 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

good luck. I went down this rabbit hole a long time ago. Brickwerks must have found some since then. I was in contact with amp with the discontinued part number and everything. Thats when i realized i could get them out of junker vans for free.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:17 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

I have found them in an AMP terminal catalog a few years ago. I will search through my files.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

I'm sure I have a few 14 pin connectors with short leads. PM me if you don't have any luck finding one.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

ZsZ wrote:
I have found them in an AMP terminal catalog a few years ago. I will search through my files.

Yeah, I found something that looks similar from AMP/TE Connectivity on Digikey in the the "Card Edge Connectors - Contacts" category this morning and threw a half dozen (more than I'll need) on an order I was placing anyway. We'll see how they compare when they show up.

5-583853-3 in case anyone's curious. If they're wrong no big deal.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 20, 2019 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

This original drawing and photo may be helpful.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 3:23 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

That's a good find. I was going in circles with TE connectivity over those. But i was referencing the -2 part which was obsolete and they were telling me they weren't replaced. Glad to see they're back in action.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:12 pm    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

Hopefully the -3 is the right thing, or at least workable. We'll see when they get here...
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

I’ve got a dealer case with bags of nos connectors some of which I’ve never seen. I’ll post pictures with oem part numbers this weekend.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

Here are oem part numbers with a drawing of the connectors.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 27, 2019 11:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

tristessa wrote:
ZsZ wrote:
I have found them in an AMP terminal catalog a few years ago. I will search through my files.

Yeah, I found something that looks similar from AMP/TE Connectivity on Digikey in the the "Card Edge Connectors - Contacts" category this morning and threw a half dozen (more than I'll need) on an order I was placing anyway. We'll see how they compare when they show up.

5-583853-3 in case anyone's curious. If they're wrong no big deal.


I had a busy week so I forgot to answer.
Cannot find my notes with the AMP nr but I remember that I had the drawing sheet in PDF downloaded. Found the connectors and the sachet with a nr but it was the local dealers own partnr. Checked their webpage but its not listed now.

I hope that your nr is the one.

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Checked your partnr online and found that page: https://www.digikey.com/catalog/en/partgroup/twin-leaf-series/56112?mpart=5-583853-3&vendor=17
Either 5-583853-3 or 5-583649-3 looks the one that VW used. I'm not sure whats the difference. Probably one is a ribbon style for automated crimping machines while the other is for the independent connector.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 10:05 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

Anybody know if these are still available and did the fit the 14-pin terminal connector? "Something similar" might not be "similar' enough.
Or any other source other than junker Vanagon?
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ZsZ wrote:
I have found them in an AMP terminal catalog a few years ago. I will search through my files.

Yeah, I found something that looks similar from AMP/TE Connectivity on Digikey in the the "Card Edge Connectors - Contacts" category this morning and threw a half dozen (more than I'll need) on an order I was placing anyway. We'll see how they compare when they show up.

5-583853-3 in case anyone's curious. If they're wrong no big deal.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

MootPoint wrote:
Anybody know if these are still available and did the fit the 14-pin terminal connector? "Something similar" might not be "similar' enough.
Or any other source other than junker Vanagon?
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ZsZ wrote:
I have found them in an AMP terminal catalog a few years ago. I will search through my files.

Yeah, I found something that looks similar from AMP/TE Connectivity on Digikey in the the "Card Edge Connectors - Contacts" category this morning and threw a half dozen (more than I'll need) on an order I was placing anyway. We'll see how they compare when they show up.

5-583853-3 in case anyone's curious. If they're wrong no big deal.


You are lucky. Brickwerks just announced last week that they managed to have them reproduced.
They already appeared in other european webshops, so it is just matter of time to have them in the US too.

https://brickwerks.co.uk/product/electrical-terminal-instrument-panel-edge-connector/
https://tk-carparts.de/crimpkontakt-n0171914
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:41 am    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

Wow, I looked for a while for these, I'm gonna try them too!


The difference between the part numbers is the wire gauge.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 20, 2023 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Terminals for 14-pin dash connector Reply with quote

ZsZ wrote:

You are lucky. Brickwerks just announced last week that they managed to have them reproduced.
They already appeared in other european webshops, so it is just matter of time to have them in the US too.

https://brickwerks.co.uk/product/electrical-terminal-instrument-panel-edge-connector/
https://tk-carparts.de/crimpkontakt-n0171914


Thanks. at £1.00 each that's a bit pricey, but if nothing else is available...
I've written them to ask about shipping to the US.
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