Nose Cone Bushing/Seal & Nose Cone Questions

[theastronaut]

I have the trans out of my '63 vert, it's back at the shop that originally built it so they can figure out why it's always popped out of third gear since being rebuilt.

I'm fairly ignorant about what goes on inside a trans. They originally got it apart and said they didn't see anything wrong. They put a new third gear synchronizer in as a precaution I guess, and said that something is wrong with the new nosecone they used (newer style with reverse light switch) so I need to find another nose cone.

I have a spare '64 trans with what looks like a good nose cone, and I just ordered the bushing/seal kit for it to convert it over to a rubber seal. It is as easy as pressing out the old bushing and pressing in the new bushing, or does it have to be reamed to size?

Are there known problems with the new nose cones? I think I heard or remember reading that they needed modifications to make them work properly?

I'm just ready to get it back together. It's been apart longer than it's been running since I finished it between rings that didn't seal and trans problems.
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[nsracing]

It is not the nosecone.

If it is popping out of gear, either the slider is worn or the dogrings are worn or both. Or...they misadjusted the fork. Or they have the wrong fork for the slider that is in there. Sliders and forks should be matched the width of them. But any trans builder ought to know which fork and slider he is putting in.

EArly 3rd/4thd are not welded on their dogrings from the factory. They can be replaced. If they are welded then they need to unweld them to fix it or they provide another fresher gear/dogring.

[theastronaut]

I later found out that this is the first VW trans they've done...

I was wondering, I thought the synchronizer is basically a brake that helped match the speed of the gear to the shaft (probably the wrong terms because I'm dumb). So to me it seemed like the synchronizer wasn't the issue if it was going into gear without grinding because the speed of the shaft and the speed of the gear were being matched allowing them to mesh.
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'64 Beetle Sunroof OG Bahama Blue
'63 Beetle Vert
'66 Beetle
'88 Festiva L
'89 Festiva L
'64 Chevy C10
'66 Chevy C10

[rugblaster]

I'd find a new trans guy.....there is no excuse for a fresh transmission not working perfectly IMO............ Red flags all over the place.
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[nsracing]

I thought about it more and they probably never bothered to re-install the ball and spring detents -coz they are tricky to put back in if they are dumb enough to remove them. The detents basically locks the shafts in place so the gears stay engaged to their sliders. They are easy to put in if you are me - I made a tool that will put them in exactly a second.

So the dents have to be in their hollows on the shafts before adjusting the forks. The forks have to be in the proper spot to keep the gears engaged to the slider.

All the synchro does is to slow/or forward the gear dogrings to match the slider. Those teeth are small and have a small angle to keep themselves together while in the running.

So they never did a trans before and you let them work on it? Geeze man..

[mcmscott]

I really love reading all the posts about gearboxes here, very amusing. To the original poster, you know more about a transaxle than your transaxle builder, run fast from there.
Transaxles are so stupid simple everyone makes it seem like brian sugury, I get a kik out of it.


Funny thing, I offered to do a toturial (spelling) on a trans axle and no one wanted it, gotta love vw peeps
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[nsracing]

If it is stupidly simple, why would anyone want a tutorial?

Just be happy not everyone will do their own transmissions. YOu will be out of business, won't ya?

Transmissions is one of those things you need but does not have to deal with all the time unless it completely goes dead on you. I don't even find it exciting working on them. They are not fun. Ok?

Do you even rebush your carriers?

[theastronaut]

They own a trans shop and have VW's, and a guy I used to work with had them rebuild the trans in his Dodge truck and was really happy with them. I didn't know they had never done a VW trans until after they had already done it and it was back in the car, and then out and back at their shop to fix whatever is wrong. I should have bought the tools to assemble it myself...

So on the nose cone bushing, does it need to be reamed? I'm guessing not, it looks like a split bushing in the pics.

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Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exist and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough."
-Sir Henry Royce, co-founder of Rolls-Royce

'64 Beetle Sunroof OG Bahama Blue
'63 Beetle Vert
'66 Beetle
'88 Festiva L
'89 Festiva L
'64 Chevy C10
'66 Chevy C10

[nsracing]

I have never replace the seal in the nosecone. The oil does not get that high.
if there is a lot of play then replace. The seal can be replaced - just pull out and ram the new one in...carefully.

[theastronaut]

Early nose cones don’t have a seal, just a bushing. The one in my ‘64 leaks since the bushing has loosened up.
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Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exist and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough."
-Sir Henry Royce, co-founder of Rolls-Royce

'64 Beetle Sunroof OG Bahama Blue
'63 Beetle Vert
'66 Beetle
'88 Festiva L
'89 Festiva L
'64 Chevy C10
'66 Chevy C10